Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
4-5 different boxes? How do you get that? Okay, let's take one single verse.
Originally posted by BIBLE, GOD'S WORD:
"Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination."

Sounds pretty obvious. Then let's add the rest around it shall we?

Of course, but since you're using a flawed translation for the basis of this entire excercise, you're going to come up with what you want to belive and what you've been taught to belive EACH and EVERY single time.

Period.

Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
...What you have done is turned the Bible into an historical document that no longer carries any power behind it.

You're telling me the census in Numbers is something MORE than a historical reading? There are PARTS of the Bible that pertain almost wholly to historical reference. There are also parts of the Bible that serve as a guide for all mankind in all times.


Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Jato, these verses were not written just for the Jews of the day, or for the time period they were living in.

Start sacrificing sheep on your front lawn, then and don't eat certain meats during certain times of the week. Or am I referring to parts of the Bible that now serve ONLY AS HISTORICAL REFERENCE?

Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
God's word is GOD'S WORD, regardless of time. These laws were not put into place to hinder the Jews, or us for that matter, they were put into place to PROTECT them......



How long do you wish to keep this up? We can keep pulling verses and counterpoints up until we each grow a 3rd eye.

Let's just say I've had the benefit of viewing the Bible as not only a divine guide to my own life, but that of a historical reference, a book of supersticions and a work of moral and ethical parables. There's nothing more challenging to one's faith; one can either sit on their a$$ and swallow wholesale everything that is spoon-fed by what is known as popular Christian belief at the time (which changes over time, I might add), or one can really test their belief and temper it through the tough questions:

The one's that the Bible aren't readily clear on at ALL.

Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
As for slavery, it is actually mentioned several times in the Bible. The New Testament actually does mention the topic of slavery several times, and tells how both the servent and the master should act toward one another.





I'm going to explode if another person pulls this one again. YES, slavery is mentioned. The MORAL aspects of it AREN'T. How one should act toward the other doesn't talk about the morality behind slavery itself! (i.e., whether slavery is MORALLY RIGHT OR WRONG). How can I be any clearer on this?


Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
The Bible also shows that there is no spiritual difference between any person due to their place, whether servant or master, on earth.



So, you're stating in a roundabout fashion that Bible morally condones slavery?

Originally posted by Galatians 3:28:
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Or, you could say everybody is equally loved in God's eyes.



So, you're willing to come to grips with the fact that the Bible does in fact support slavery as an institution? Or did this change as societies views on it changed?(apparently the churches views are much different and treat certain passages on slavery as HISTORICAL REFERENCE)

Remember, I'm not the one stating that what the Bible states is permanent for all time. You are.

Originally posted by Colossians 3:11:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.


Same as above basically.

Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
You'll find the same theme throughout the Bible. In the Old Testament there were specific time frames that servants could be kept, and how they were to be treated etc. etc. etc. Look at your job, unless you work for yourself, you are a servant, and these verses apply to you also.



VERY nice cop-out! Bravo! But I'm not falling for that. We're talking about a class-based system of servitude: don't BS me or anybody else on this. The Bible ISN'T referring to workers in general...

Or if they are, they again mention NOTHING about true slavery and we are back to where we started.

Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
There is no condemnation, but to live with that protection, you must believe and follow Jesus.

Easier said than done, especially given the mass of translations of Biblical verse between certain religions within Christianity...

Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
And to end all this, what better book would Satan have to use against Christians than the Holy word of God? Exactly. Satan uses everything he can to twist God's words.

No truer words have ever been spoken. He's even used the Church itself from time to time...

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