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"The gay and lesbian community does constantly advocate and lobby for the religious marriage sanctioned and approved by Church. I completely agree that people should have freedom of choice in their matrimonial arrangements, which, probably, should include the gay and lesbian marriages confirmed by the civic institutions; however, isnâ??t it utterly paradoxical, if not outright hypocritical, that people who violate one of the religious laws, â??You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination,â?? still want to assure they enjoy a religiously sanctioned approval?"

Just an excerpt from my ENG101 essay. LOL. Can't come with anything else b/c of the 101 degree heat and the A/C doesn't actually reach the loft where the comp is.

Anywayz. Let's for a moment forget there are other (than Christian) religious groups in America. Let's say America is Christian. Now, here comes the question what "Christian" denomination you are referring to? There are Catholics, Protestants and Baptists, there are other minor groups, cults and whatnot. Now, for somebody who is familiar with the history of our contry as well as with the history of inter-Christian relations, there is the fact to remember that Protestants hated Catholics and considred them as Papal traitors all the way dating back to the first days of early pilligrims. Now, the Catholics always viewed Protestants as heretics. Each of the Churches has its own doctrine on homosexuality, so which one should we adopt - the question is addressed to the guy who thinks that the separation between religion and government was a mistake. This separation is the only reason America stayed free for hundreds of years, and never had the bloodshed and killings committed in the name of God. Think of Nortern Ireland - not only we are talking about the same Christian beliefs, but we are talking about the same ethnicity, yet the hatred and terror never stops there and never will.
When we think about Fathers Founders and their referrences to God - it was the ONLY way of life back then. Everyone was religious, at least outwardly. Using that as justification to alleged religious foundation of America is simply historically and factishly incorrect.

ok so I guess the sepration of church and state has its goods and its bad... there are downsides to everything... like the schools, you cant have a public prayer in school.

all men are created egual and I truly believe that but cant you make your self lesser then others? we might be created egual but as we grow older we might be come less of a person. money and worldly possisions(sp?) have nothing to do with this either I believe it is your morals. a poor man with good morals is prolly a better person with crapy morals. I mean if you want to be gay then fine you go ahead all the power to you and I hope you are happy with it... but I dont think it is fair that you go to court and take stuff (rights and so on and so fourth) away from the rest of us. when a man enters a marrige with a women that is a special day that is reserved for man and women not man and man or women and women... correct me if I am wrong but when you choose to be gay you know that you cant get married and you still choose to be that way but then you decide that this sucks so I am going to take something away from the straight people so I can have a marrige...if you ask me that kinda makes marrige a joke... pretty soon you will have people wanting to make it legal to marry there pet dogs and cats (and yes there are people out there that sick) so why can you gay people just settle with what you have you can live with you boyfriend or whatever but dont fight to take something as special as marrige away from the straight people... I just dont see how that is right.


I would like to stay away from religious debates cause everybody knows there are 1000 different views on everything and we are not going to come to an agreement so out of respect for all those views and respect for each other on this board lets just let that die

While you make a decent argument Static, it's entirely based on the fact that Gay people choose to be gay, and you give no credence to anything other than that. I assume that you did not choose heterosexuality, so what makes you think someone else chose homosexuality? Simply because it's different than you? I didn't choose to like Asian women more than White women, I was just born that way.

Most doctors knowledgeable of the subject will tell you that homosexuals are not born that way, of course any homosexual will tell you that will tell you that, and even the Pope himself has said that and it is now part of the Catholic Catechism.

Now, I realize you might not be Catholic, but you don't get much more religiously conservative than that as a Christian. And even the Catholics believe that homosexuals are born that way. Of course not all of them feel that way, but it's the official view.

There is no reason that something "so special" (as you say) should be reserved for heterosexual couples only, when there are millions of homosexual couples that are in the same loving relationships and even raising the same children. Besides, Homosexuals can already get married by a great many priests/ministers/rabbis/etc, although it might not be "officially" sanctioned by the respective church. To most that is fine.

Now they just want the rights to legal marriage. Especially the protection that comes along with that.

Homosexual couples that are willing to get 'married' or "unioned" or whatever now, are taking a step that's a million times harder than for any heterosexual couple to make. Not only is there the societal conflicts, there is the legal conflicts. They have no way out once they're in that bond, and the work a lot harder than most heterosexual couples at sustaining their relationship for that reason.

Homosexual couples can get married in some churches, can give birth to or adopt children, provide for their children (very well because homosexuals are generally wealthy) and do everything else that heterosexual couples can do; except 2 things.

1> Have sex (which is now legal, finally)
2> Get a piece of paper from the Gov't saying their marriage is legal, and all the legal benefits and detriments to that (except for in Hawaii and Vermont)

How many heterosexual couples have a strong enough committment nowadays to get married if it meant they had to fly to Hawaii to get married, would be discriminated daily, would greatly impact them professionally, and had no protection in case of a divorce?

You'd see marriage rates amongst heterosexual couples plummet. I think it says something that homosexual couples are willing to go through what they do to get married. Anyone going through that kind of trouble deserves a simple sheet of paper in my mind.

Oh, and to address your people marrying dogs and cats thing -- You're right, people would want that. But it wouldn't be legal because a dog or cat can't give consent. The same reason why you can't marry a child younger than the age of consent in whatever state you're in or marry someone declared legally retarded and unable to give their own consent.

But there is absolutely no reason why two consenting adults shouldn't be allowed to get married. It's legal in every way except for that they are 2 men or 2 women -- and that is a Christian principle, not a legal one. Which is why you will find it changed very soon.

I'm sorry if it makes your marriage feel less special. Although I don't know why it would. I assume your marriage is special because it's a religious marriage in the eyes of God, not a legal marriage in the eyes of Uncle Sam. I assume it's your vows that are special, not your marriage certificate.

Gays can already get the religious marriage, always have been able to if they could find a priest willing to do it, so your marriage vows have already been tainted. They simply want a piece of paper from the state saying they're legally married.

Times change. People felt that their education would be lessened by allowing blacks into their schools, but they had to learn to deal with it.

It's good that everyone agrees.

I'm sure svtcarboy has repented of his sins and is no longer sinning.

Really, why does any of this matter? We can debate it all we want, but no one will ever change their opinion.

There are different kinds of gay ppl, xactly in the same way there are diff types of straight ppl. I am gonna fess up and say that the militant gay ppl do annoy crap out of me, by constantly trying to prove that all straight men are potentially gay and all this BS. What I am saying is: if you love your riced Honda - be that way, even if you are positive it's the best car in the world; however, don't frigging try to make me believe in the same crap... know what I am talking about?

ok how about this... Why dont I agree with mike on this... if you want to do it then do it but keep that sh it away from me and no gay pride parades... if we dont get straight pride parades then no gay pride parades LOL

Well, for ppl who don't like foreigners, why not to ban Puerto Rican parades, Carribean Americans parade, or German parades like we have in NYC????