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Originally posted by Antonio:
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I can't fathom that people would "choose" to do lots of things. I don't think it's genetic. I think it's psychological.
Well we can argue this until I turn white. Since were both straight men we will never truly understand.
IIRC SVTcarboy even said he was born that way and that is straight from the horses mouth...
Then we can extend the horses mouth to the majority of homosexuals in the world. "I didn't choose to be gay, that's just the way I am." Psychological issues or not, it comes down to choice. Do you choose to live under this weight of sin, or do you choose to find Jesus Christ and be free from it? Psychological? Yes. Choice? Yes.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by Antonio:
Originally posted by infuryum:
I can't fathom that people would "choose" to do lots of things. I don't think it's genetic. I think it's psychological.
Well we can argue this until I turn white. Since were both straight men we will never truly understand.
IIRC SVTcarboy even said he was born that way and that is straight from the horses mouth...
Then we can extend the horses mouth to the majority of homosexuals in the world. "I didn't choose to be gay, that's just the way I am." Psychological issues or not, it comes down to choice. Do you choose to live under this weight of sin, or do you choose to find Jesus Christ and be free from it? Psychological? Yes. Choice? Yes.
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Do you choose to live under this weight of sin, or do you choose to find Jesus Christ and be free from it? Psychological? Yes. Choice? Yes.
Hah! God is not even a fact, homosexuals are. Your definition of "sin" is yours and yours alone.
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Then we can extend the horses mouth to the majority of homosexuals in the world. "I didn't choose to be gay, that's just the way I am." Psychological issues or not, it comes down to choice.
What part of the term "I was born that way" DON'T you understand? I was born black. I had no choice in the color I am. He was born GAY he had no choice.
If SVTCarboy said he was born that way, then I can only believe him. Hell is a gay man. How much more proof do you need?
Now I hate America? That is a new one to me.
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Originally posted by Antonio:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by Antonio:
Originally posted by infuryum:
I can't fathom that people would "choose" to do lots of things. I don't think it's genetic. I think it's psychological.
Well we can argue this until I turn white. Since were both straight men we will never truly understand.
IIRC SVTcarboy even said he was born that way and that is straight from the horses mouth...
Then we can extend the horses mouth to the majority of homosexuals in the world. "I didn't choose to be gay, that's just the way I am." Psychological issues or not, it comes down to choice. Do you choose to live under this weight of sin, or do you choose to find Jesus Christ and be free from it? Psychological? Yes. Choice? Yes.
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Do you choose to live under this weight of sin, or do you choose to find Jesus Christ and be free from it? Psychological? Yes. Choice? Yes.
Hah! God is not even a fact, homosexuals are. Your definition of "sin" is yours and yours alone.
I can't wait to hear you say that when you stand before Him. Hopefully, you will understand He is real by then.
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Then we can extend the horses mouth to the majority of homosexuals in the world. "I didn't choose to be gay, that's just the way I am." Psychological issues or not, it comes down to choice.
What part of the term "I was born that way" DON'T you understand? I was born black. I had no choice in the color I am. He was born GAY he had no choice.
If SVTCarboy said he was born that way, then I can only believe him. Hell is a gay man. How much more proof do you need?
Don't make homosexuality out to be something we need to cry over, and give the "right of way" to because they cry that they were born that way. You have a choice on your sexual orientation, I have a choice on my preferences. Please don't give in to their cries of "I was born that way."
Being black is no sin. You had no choice to be black. It's pure fact. Being white is no sin. I had no choice to be white. It's pure fact.
[reality on]We could not choose our parents, nor could we choose how our parents raised us, but we do have the choice on who we have sex with, and what our preferences are.[/reality off].
We also have the choice to believe in a God that saves or a God that you have to work for, or, you can believe in no God, basically making yourself a God. Regardless of what you believe, God has made Himself known to you through His creation, therefore when standing before Him, there will be no excuse.
Homosexuality is a choice, no matter how you view it.
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I don't have the time to argue every point you made, or tried to make, 99SESport, nor would it make any difference. Although I find position frustrating and personally ignorant, I can respect your unerringness in the matter.
I would like to make just a couple real quick rebuttals in the short time I have.
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Actually, their is no mention of rape, in fact, there is no mention of sex. But Lot knew their plans. There were MEN who wanted to have sex with the men in the house. Yuck. Lot called this action WICKED. WICKED. In fact, he would rather give them his daughters so that the more wicked of the two actions would not be committed.
Um... Yes there is mention of sex - or at least it is inferred.
"...bring them unto us, so that we may know them." The following passage 19:8 is "...I have two daugters which have not known man..." -- he's willing to give up his virgin daughters. Come on, you claim to read the Bible, and I have every reason to believe that you do. To "Know Man" is used countless times to mean sex.
And the mention of rape is inferred in the fake that a bunch of pissed off men are surrouding the home demanding that 2 other men be brought to them so they can have sex.
If countless men surrounded your home and demanded your wife so they could have sex with her, do you think they were planning on making sweet love, or gang-raping her?
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Wait, you are saying that an old document cannot be trusted? I can trust an old document just as I can trust a new one if the sources are reliable and the facts coincide with the truth.
Well then I guess you could call the world flat and Earth the center of the universe. Because for hundreds of years that's what all the 'reliable sources' said and all the known facts coincided with the truth. Anyone claiming otherwise was killed for blasphemy.
It's much the same circumstance now with homosexuality.
You have religious people saying that it's wrong.
You have some doctors saying it's wrong. Usually those heavily-invested (emotionally) in religion themselves.
You have a whole lot of doctors saying homosexuality is genetic.
You are arbitrarily deciding to follow the word of some over the world of someone else. Now don't claim the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, so it's different. Because only your Bible says it is wrong. Only Bibles translated in recent (in the grand scope of history) history mention homosexuality. Read those in Greek or Hebrew, those only translated once maybe twice directly from the Word of God, and you will read virtually an entirely different book -- especially in regards to homosexuality.
Remember, when you read the NIV or KJV of the Bible, you are not reading the Word of God. You are reading one man's opinion of the Word of God. One version of 'the truth'.
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Did you forget to look at the study that he quoted? The average lifespan of a homosexual man is "33 years shorter" than that of the average heterosexual man. Who would want that?
You know, that's a damn good question, 99SESport. Who would choose that?
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Magic Johnson...end of story.
1> Magic Johnson was not homosexual. Bisexual at best, if even that, and that's an entirely different subject.
2> Magic Johnson was famous and slept largely with women. That meant his available pool of people to have sex with was roughly 50% of the population. Gays according to this article only have 1%.
3> When you're famous it's a great deal easier to get some.
4> He travelled around the country and the world on a daily basis, further increasing the amount of people he had access to to sleep with.
As I said, the only way a homosexual man could ever hope to sleep with that many men, is if he just roamed the land on a daily basis going from town-to-town on 'homo sex' pilgrimages. Which is essentially what Magic Johnson did.
Now, homosexual men generally are much wealthier than heterosexual men, but the last time I checked, they didn't spend their entire lives roving around from place to place looking for new strangers to sleep with.
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Sigma, regardless of what you say, regardless of how you feel, homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible numerous times, and each time there is nothing GOOD about homosexuality.
In your Bible it might be mentioned. But not mine.
You have to remember, the Bible is not a static thing. Every Bible has something different to say. You are not reading the Word of God in any Bible translated into English, you are reading the word of a tired old monk doing his best to translate hard to read languages on hard to read paper, and then influenced by the leaders (both religious and political) of the time.
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Here are the other verses discussed that you thought were left out. Not only that, but it explains nearly each of the arguments you "pulled out of the magic hat" in your earlier post.
Oh I read it. I read everything that you post. It would not be fair to do otherwise.
I just found it to be full of the same propoganda as this one. The same picking and choosing of translation, and extremely biased interpretation, as you yourself do. In other words, not worth my time, because all my previous arguments still stand; none of which were refuted. In fact, not many theologians at all refute those arguments.
Oh, and by the way, that "magic hat" I pull my arguments from. It's called the Bible. A real one. Not the mis-translated and inconsistent mess that the later versions of the Bible are, and I read it without the stubbornness, ignorance, and righteousness of many Christians. A Christian education and some seminary school don't hurt my arguments either.
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We could not choose our parents, nor could we choose how our parents raised us, but we do have the choice on who we have sex with, and what our preferences are
Choice on who to have sex with. You're right, you have that choice.
What your preferences are? By definition you cannot choose a preference.
Do you choose to not look one food over another? Of course not. Some people are just predisposed to like one food over another.
I don't like sour cream.
I could choose to eat it if I wanted (I wouldn't)
I could not choose to like it. I was born not liking it, my body refuses to accept it. I have no say in the matter.
I could choose to have sex with a man right now if I wanted to. But I sure couldn't choose to prefer it over sex with my wife.
Only God can give you the predepositions that you were born with. You have a young child, don't tell me you don't know all about a baby not liking food. There's no reason to not like. He's never ate it before, cannot associate it with anything bad. He just has a predeposition to it, and he's just not going to eat it. And even if you can get him to eat it, he's not going to like it. He was born not liking it.
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Homosexuality is a choice, no matter how you view it.
Nope, only acting upon it is.
And by not acting upon it, by denying the way you were created, and acting un-natural, contrary to the way that God made you, you are committing a sin.
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I think Gay people should have more rights. I remember when I was in the Navy in the 80s, the Navy had everyone tested for AIDS. If a person even looked like they might be gay they were openly taunted and called a fag in front of everyone. I actually took legal action against one person for interfering with my job, calling me a fag, and threatening to kill me. At the legal proceeding the captain asks me if I was prejudiced. I thought that was pretty bad after the person had called me a fag and threatened to kill me. The staff actually told me that if I did not drop the charges that they (The U.S. Navy) would make life miserable for me. I didn't back down and I followed through with the charges. I'm not gay but I am quite and keep things to myself a lot. I think anything that is done to help gay people is great. They have been discriminated against too much.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Nope, only acting upon it is.
And by not acting upon it, by denying the way you were created, and acting un-natural, contrary to the way that God made you, you are committing a sin.
That's some crazy chop-logic right there.
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Well, it's awkward the way hat I wrote it. I apologize for that.
Acting upon your homosexuality is a choice.
The Bible says that acting in a manner contrary to the way you were Created is a sin.
So, if you're created as a homosexual and you deny that, you are commiting a sin.
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I nominate 99SESPORT for longest post in CEG history.
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ok I started reading all this but it is just to damn long so I am just going to give my .02 on the matter and sorry if it has already been decided...
SVTCARBOY stated that blacks are treated fairly so why arent gays well blacks dont have a choice of what color they are gays to.... it is not fair that I have to treat you equal to me when you are not you are differnet I dont so much have a problem with homos but I chose not to be around them nor do I want my kids to grow up around them cause they will get the idea that it is ok for them to be gay and it isnt... you arent born gay it is a choice you make at some point in your life. if you guys want to have a union or partnership where two men can have something equal to marrage then thats fine with me but you should also have to have all the devorise bs to so if you do get out of your union or partnership you suffer just like the rest of the world.... however you should not be able to call it marrage cause it is not marrage... we are not going to change the meaning of a word so you homos can have it easier.... you choose to be gay so you should have to live with your desision.... its like a job if you think about it
one guy works at a factory making cars while another answers phones at a company and takes orders all day well the factory worker works harder and gets a better pay cause he choose to suffer more but get more in return while the guy answering phones does less and gets less....
as straight people I guess you could say we take the common road and we get the common treatment you homos choose to take the [censored] road and get [censored] treatment and if you want the good treatment then you need to BE NORMAL
nobody is forcing you to be gay you choose to be that way so life with your desicion and quit bitch1ng about it if you want to have the same rights as us straight people then you should be straight but please keep your gay assess out of the court trying to make life better for you... cause there are millions of straight people that arent going to put up with it and it is just a matter of time before you end up like the blacks did (I have nothing against blacks I am just using this as an example) and people start killing you even more often then they already do just cause your a gay fag...
if you want to call this gay bashing or what not you can I dont care but the american constitution is based on christion principals and HOMOSEXUALITY is not a christion principal. it is a sin no matter what you say it is a sin. GOD CREATED WOMEN FOR MAN AND MAN FOR WOMEN, no where in the bible does it say I made man so they could play with other men in bed...
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