I don't have the time to argue every point you made, or tried to make, 99SESport, nor would it make any difference. Although I find position frustrating and personally ignorant, I can respect your unerringness in the matter.

I would like to make just a couple real quick rebuttals in the short time I have.

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Actually, their is no mention of rape, in fact, there is no mention of sex. But Lot knew their plans. There were MEN who wanted to have sex with the men in the house. Yuck. Lot called this action WICKED. WICKED. In fact, he would rather give them his daughters so that the more wicked of the two actions would not be committed.



Um... Yes there is mention of sex - or at least it is inferred.

"...bring them unto us, so that we may know them." The following passage 19:8 is "...I have two daugters which have not known man..." -- he's willing to give up his virgin daughters. Come on, you claim to read the Bible, and I have every reason to believe that you do. To "Know Man" is used countless times to mean sex.

And the mention of rape is inferred in the fake that a bunch of pissed off men are surrouding the home demanding that 2 other men be brought to them so they can have sex.

If countless men surrounded your home and demanded your wife so they could have sex with her, do you think they were planning on making sweet love, or gang-raping her?

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Wait, you are saying that an old document cannot be trusted? I can trust an old document just as I can trust a new one if the sources are reliable and the facts coincide with the truth.



Well then I guess you could call the world flat and Earth the center of the universe. Because for hundreds of years that's what all the 'reliable sources' said and all the known facts coincided with the truth. Anyone claiming otherwise was killed for blasphemy.

It's much the same circumstance now with homosexuality.

You have religious people saying that it's wrong.

You have some doctors saying it's wrong. Usually those heavily-invested (emotionally) in religion themselves.

You have a whole lot of doctors saying homosexuality is genetic.

You are arbitrarily deciding to follow the word of some over the world of someone else. Now don't claim the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, so it's different. Because only your Bible says it is wrong. Only Bibles translated in recent (in the grand scope of history) history mention homosexuality. Read those in Greek or Hebrew, those only translated once maybe twice directly from the Word of God, and you will read virtually an entirely different book -- especially in regards to homosexuality.

Remember, when you read the NIV or KJV of the Bible, you are not reading the Word of God. You are reading one man's opinion of the Word of God. One version of 'the truth'.

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Did you forget to look at the study that he quoted? The average lifespan of a homosexual man is "33 years shorter" than that of the average heterosexual man. Who would want that?



You know, that's a damn good question, 99SESport. Who would choose that?

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Magic Johnson...end of story.



1> Magic Johnson was not homosexual. Bisexual at best, if even that, and that's an entirely different subject.

2> Magic Johnson was famous and slept largely with women. That meant his available pool of people to have sex with was roughly 50% of the population. Gays according to this article only have 1%.

3> When you're famous it's a great deal easier to get some.

4> He travelled around the country and the world on a daily basis, further increasing the amount of people he had access to to sleep with.

As I said, the only way a homosexual man could ever hope to sleep with that many men, is if he just roamed the land on a daily basis going from town-to-town on 'homo sex' pilgrimages. Which is essentially what Magic Johnson did.

Now, homosexual men generally are much wealthier than heterosexual men, but the last time I checked, they didn't spend their entire lives roving around from place to place looking for new strangers to sleep with.

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Sigma, regardless of what you say, regardless of how you feel, homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible numerous times, and each time there is nothing GOOD about homosexuality.



In your Bible it might be mentioned. But not mine.

You have to remember, the Bible is not a static thing. Every Bible has something different to say. You are not reading the Word of God in any Bible translated into English, you are reading the word of a tired old monk doing his best to translate hard to read languages on hard to read paper, and then influenced by the leaders (both religious and political) of the time.

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Here are the other verses discussed that you thought were left out. Not only that, but it explains nearly each of the arguments you "pulled out of the magic hat" in your earlier post.




Oh I read it. I read everything that you post. It would not be fair to do otherwise.

I just found it to be full of the same propoganda as this one. The same picking and choosing of translation, and extremely biased interpretation, as you yourself do. In other words, not worth my time, because all my previous arguments still stand; none of which were refuted. In fact, not many theologians at all refute those arguments.

Oh, and by the way, that "magic hat" I pull my arguments from. It's called the Bible. A real one. Not the mis-translated and inconsistent mess that the later versions of the Bible are, and I read it without the stubbornness, ignorance, and righteousness of many Christians. A Christian education and some seminary school don't hurt my arguments either.


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We could not choose our parents, nor could we choose how our parents raised us, but we do have the choice on who we have sex with, and what our preferences are



Choice on who to have sex with. You're right, you have that choice.

What your preferences are? By definition you cannot choose a preference.

Do you choose to not look one food over another? Of course not. Some people are just predisposed to like one food over another.

I don't like sour cream.
I could choose to eat it if I wanted (I wouldn't)
I could not choose to like it. I was born not liking it, my body refuses to accept it. I have no say in the matter.

I could choose to have sex with a man right now if I wanted to. But I sure couldn't choose to prefer it over sex with my wife.

Only God can give you the predepositions that you were born with. You have a young child, don't tell me you don't know all about a baby not liking food. There's no reason to not like. He's never ate it before, cannot associate it with anything bad. He just has a predeposition to it, and he's just not going to eat it. And even if you can get him to eat it, he's not going to like it. He was born not liking it.

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Homosexuality is a choice, no matter how you view it.



Nope, only acting upon it is.

And by not acting upon it, by denying the way you were created, and acting un-natural, contrary to the way that God made you, you are committing a sin.


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