The only argument confronted by any of that is in response to Genesis 19. And whether or not they simply wanted to have homosexual sex or they wanted to rape them. They article claims they simply "mentioned" sex with them. Well, I dunno what you read when you read this but when I read this:

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19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

19:5
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

19:6
And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

19:7
And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.



I see a whole bunch of men surrounding a house asking Lot to bring out two Angels so that they can essentially gang-rape them.

Again, the passage is in regards to rape, especially that of two holy angels; it has nothing to do with homosexuality.


First off, I'd like to just mention that this articile is itself 12 years old. And many of the 'sources' that it uses are far older than that. Most came from the early to mid 80's. A time when the medical perception on homosexuality was considerably more biased and the conclusions totally different than it found today. However, I will still address it...


Secondly, this "article" is quick to make-up their own statistics, but quick to dismiss statistics that have been long quoted as reality.

I especially like this one:

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only about 1 out of 7 homosexuals have had fewer than 50 partners in their lifetime, and 99 percent of the male homosexuals interviewed have had sex with complete strangers!



Complete, total, utter, [censored]. Especially when you read further on and it claims that less than 1% of the population is homosexual. You can't have sex with hundreds of people if they don't exist. Do the math, it's just not possible unless every gay man in the US lives in San Francisco; or every gay man makes roving pilgrimages to surrounding towns to screw more guys, making that is full-time job. Of course, the people who write this crap are probably likely to believe that.

Any article that attempts to counter serious biblical discussion with such crap and obiviously made-up figures is stretching for a stick to fight with.

Yes, Promiscuity is a sin. Yes, homosexuals as a whole are likely more promiscuous than heterosexuals. But that's an issue with promiscuity, not with homosexuality. Unless you want to banish heterosexuality because of all the heterosexual adulterers out there.

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William H. Masters (codirector of the Masters and Johnson Institute), Virginia E. Brown, and Robert C. Kolodny stated categorically in their 1982 work Human Sexuality: "The genetic theory of homosexuality has been generally discarded today."



Masters and Johnsons is one of those sick "hospitals" that basically tortures and brainwashes homosexuals into believing that they're sinful, immoral, and "converts" them to heterosexuality. At which point the patients usually live unhappy lives or just kill themselves.

They are heavy on the Bible quoting, and are most definently NOT a source of non-biased information on homosexuality. They always have, and always will believe, that homosexuality can be "cured". Their business depends on it.

It's one of the few "doctors" that Christian theologians and homophobes can get to say that homosexuals are categorically not born that way.


And then they follow it up with a couple quotes from Doctors that have LONG believed that homosexuality is a sickness and nothing will ever persaude them otherwise. Both Kronemeyer and DeCecco have been around a long time on the anti-homosexual lecture circuit. They're hateful, spiteful, and any psychologist who calls his patients "fools" is not worth a damn thing in my book. You might as well be quoting Adolf Hitler to support your stance.




Then it goes on to discuss "Sexual Practices". I really love this part. Because Sex between two men is "dirty" (in the literal sense) and can be "painful", it obviously is wrong.

Well, I hate to burst their little spheres of innocence, but LOTS of heterosexual couples participate in anal intercourse, both giving and receiving. Not saying that makes it right, that's obviously sinful too, but just that anal intercourse is far from limited to gays only.

Any form of intercourse can be dirty, painful, and spread disease. Anal sex can be none of that if done properly.

And the argument that you can't receive pleasure that way (as the receiver - male or female), so God did not intend intercourse that way, has just not tried it themselves. Go ask a real Doctor, someone versed in sexual anatomy, and they'll tell you that the human body, both male and female, is extremely receptive to anal intercourse if done properly, and because of our physiology will likely result in greater pleasure for both partners.

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I believe that any unbiased reader would have to admit that homosexuality is neither a healthy lifestyle nor a natural one.



Yeah, like this article should be commenting on "biasedness".

But, anyways, as a whole, heterosexuals are far likely to have "unhealthy" and "unnatural" sexual lifestyles. Everything that 2 gay men can do, a man and a woman can do. But there's lots that a man and woman can do that 2 men cannot. And when one starts discussing both anal and vaginal intercourse, the "healthyness" of intercourse decreases exponentially. It's not exactly a totally a healthy thing to do but millions of men and women are having anal, vaginal, and oral sex every night -- Being just as sinful as the average gay man.



It goes on to bring in the possibility of change. However, it's key "sources" are Kronemeyer and Nicolossi. The Goebels of the Anti-Homosexual world. Their tactics are nothing more than brainwash, with far more disastrously failed cases than "successful conversions". If I seclude someone long enough and punish them hard enough, I can get anyone to do anything. I could even make you renounce Christ, 99SESport. The things they do are sick, twisted, and far more sinful than any Christian would claim homosexuality to be.

Maybe if they could get someone to support their article who lifestyle and carreer didn't depend on saying that Homosexuals are Diseased, maybe their argument would have more weight. But this article was not meant to educate homosexuals, it was meant to "educate" Christians that just needed support for their arguments.

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Additional findings showed that 60 percent of male homosexuals had more than 250 lifetime sexual partners, and 28 percent of male homosexuals had more than 1,000 lifetime sexual partners. Another startling fact is that 79 percent admitted that more than half of their sexual partners were strangers.



Do me a favor and just do the math on this.

It's not farking possible!

1,000 lifetime partners?! Holy [censored]. I'm jealous.

That's 28% with more than 1,000. Again, unless every single gay man lived in San Francisco and they all [censored] 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in one big huge orgy of *ahem" "Homo sex" (love that phrase), it's just not possible.

I mean, damn, if you're going to make up numbers, at least make up something that makes sense. But then, if Christians used a little sense in their reasoning, we wouldn't be having this discussion.



And I'm not even going to refute the second article. There's enough bias, hate, and ignorance in the first one to start our own "Endlosung". And if you don't know what that is, look it up. Maybe it'll hit a chord.

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