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For JATO, a little Bible beating, but read past just this, there is more...
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Originally posted by svtcarboy:
That said, government was never given the Constitutional authority to govern morality (which is relative in any case). There is nothing wrong with marketing a community to a particular demographic, but there it against the freedoms of this country to legislate the community to do so. People have the right to believe and feel as they wish, but they do not have a right to create legislation to exclude based on those feelings and beliefs. "
"Let's get artificial government restriction out of our society once and for all.
dude, what you just said makes murder, if the person finds it MORAL to be okay, rape to be okay, child to adult sex okay. This is SICK SICK SICK. This kind of argument holds no water under any bridge. Heck, if the government is not to get in our business at all, then lets just get rid of the speed limit, drinking limits, sex consensus age limits, murder laws, abortion laws, sodomy...(wait, already did that), laws on burglary, laws on stealing, laws on, well, EVERYTHING MORAL. The government puts MORALITY into our law with every law on the books. Unfortunately, OUR government is taking steps in making law more based on the morality that you are trying to pass, that there is no morality and there is ABSOLUTELY no ABSOLUTES. (what kind of an argument is that????? Really...)
Originally posted by daenku32:
Nature never intended for us to drive cars either.
Nature, or as we use to refer to Him, GOD, never intended us to have homo sex either, or have to deal with murder, or rape, or child pornography, or prostitution, or anything having to do with the wonderful world of SATAN.
God created the world perfect in every way. Sin was introduced through ADAM AND EVE (not steve) and since, our world has fallen apart. It seems nobody here is looking at history for a good idea of what will happen to this country if we continue to lose the MORAL standing of our FOREFATHERS!!! Look at Rome. They started out as one of the strongest countries around, then after they had conquered all they needed, they became lazy, and began eating and bathing together. They also started having sex orgies, eating orgies, and any other kind of extreme indulgence you can think of. They even laid down so they could eat more. The country, as it was back then, IS GONE. Why? BECAUSE THEY LOST THEIR MORALS AND ALLOWED AN INTERNAL BREAKDOWN, exactly the direction our country is headed.
And Jato, Jato, Jato...
Originally posted by jato:
I used to be on the Bible-beating side of the fence on this in that I thought gays were abhorrent in the sight of God. No longer, since I've done some moderate delving into the subject and explored the weak-a$$ed arguments that certain religious groups have blinded themselves and their followers with.
It's not Bible beating, it is strictly living by a standard that the world will never understand until they find the loving savior Jesus Christ. Heres some Bible beating for you...
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination."
Genesis 13:13: "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly." (if you don't know the story, read it. Basically, men of the Lord came to a house and the men in the city demanded that the head of the house bring the men of God out so they could have homo sex with him)
Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Romans 1:24-32:
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
As stated in the first verse I posted, there is no condemnation in Christ, but you must accept Him first, all of Him. Homosexuality is a sin, a CHOICE. Turn to Jesus, listen to His word, He can heal you and save you. That's all.
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