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Originally posted by CarpePoon:
But what if same-sex Marrage is legalized across the states.. then its just going to move on to the next phase.. Adopting children. Now how does everybody feel about THAT. Can you imagine a gay male couple adopting a boy? Can you imagine how messed up and confused that kid is going to be? Not to mention the torture he's going to be put through by his peers.
Uuuhhhhhhhh...Rosie O'Donnell??? Or is it strictly a "guy" thing?
Do you think that there aren't already same-sex couples w/ children out there??? My boss from an old job I had (major corp) has a daughter & is "married" (obviously not legally, but thats what she claims). The child is her own from when she was young & married to a man. I know of a guy that was previously married to a woman & now in the same situation.
So, government & majority population may be able to take control of some situations (adoption) but it's gonna happen anyway, like it or not...
So is it about "adoption" or gay couples raising kids period???
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Originally posted by freakshow:
Oh boy did you just open up a can o' worms. This could end up being a historical long thread. 
You tried to warn him, didn't you ??
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Sigma, What does having to be a guy have to do with who you are attracted to? Again, missed the point. I was never talking about your ability to reproduce either. I was speaking in general. A male and a female can reproduce. A male and a male or female and a female cannot. Period. That's it.
Gay. Not "guy". I mis-typed. Sorry, I would've fixed it, but I thought it was obvious what I meant.
And yes, you did speak of one's ability to reproduce. You said that a homosexual relationship was wrong because it could not bear children.
And not all men and women can reproduce. A significant portion of the population is infertile, impotent, or outright missing a necessary organ outright. Are their relationships wrong because God made them unable to conceive a child?
And, since you mention it so much, what passage in the Bible does it say that God created Woman for Man to have sex with. Not just "God created Woman for Man", but that she was created for the explicit purpose of having sex with. I'm not claiming it doesn't exist, just that I've never read it. Or are you just inferring the meaning of God's own will yourself?
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Next people will want to have relationships with cats or dogs or monkeys on this same level. Obviously, nothing wrong with that because occurs naturally in nature.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but people already do have sex with all sorts of creatures. I've never heard of a case of a person born that way... but I have heard of some that claimed to "love" their animal partner in that way.
But you're not really correct in saying that it occurs in nature. Inter-species breeding occurs very very rarely in nature, and then only with species extremely similar to one another -- i.e. Horses and Donkeys. This is because interspecies sex usually results in no offspring, and few animals are willing to waste very precious energy on sex when energy means life or death to them. Only a very few animals will have sex purely for the purpose of enjoyment, I think only Humans and Dolphins, both of which have been known to have sex with other creatures for no obvious reason but their own pleasure.
Also, because as far as science knows, animals of 2 different species don't feel sexual attraction to one another. This is diametrically opposed to homosexual men, whom do feel sexually attracted to other men.
Generally, it's considered aberrant behavior to have sex with animals, not a condition that you have at birth. People have sex with animals purely for the sexual pleasure involved. Not because they are in love with them and want to spend their lives in a loving relationship... although I know of one case of that happening, but that's only because it was India and they believe in reincarnation of their loved ones.
In our culture however, it is considered wrong and even illegal to do that to an animal because it is a non-consenual relationshop. Which is very different from homosexuality which is, of course, consensual, not illegal and popularly not considered wrong.
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Next people will want to have relationships with cats or dogs or monkeys on this same level. Obviously, nothing wrong with that because occurs naturally in nature.
I've just gotta say I love this quote.
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Originally posted by SVTNupe:
Ban from having kids? What does that have to do with this discussion? One's personal decision not to have kids has absolutely nothing to do with being gay but obviously if you are, you can't reproduce "naturally" or should I say "normally".
Was this a reply to me? Because I wasn't suggesting a ban from having kids. If it was, you need to read the question again.
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Just for curiosity sake can someone who dosent believe in god justify homosexuality as wrong or right(whichever you believe it is), I just want to see their thinking on this.
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I havenā??t made up my mind about gay people. I hate it when people use the word fag again and again to make gay people look bad. There are good and bad gay people. They are not all good or bad and one shoe doesn't fit all. Some gay men have been known to try to force their selves on other men and I think they should be locked up for life with no parole. If something is consensual between two adults that seems different. I'm not gay but I have worked with gay people. I only had one bad situation where I had to use force to let the person know that I was not gay and didn't want to be.
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Where do I start...
The Supreme Court ruling and a legal stance on gay marriage needs to remain within the parameters government and our Constitution. Placing government in a position to enforce morals, especially when derived from the Bible or other religious book, is a direct breach of the separation of church and state.
Allowing gay and lesbian Americans access to the same rights and public institutions as heterosexual Americans in no way infringes on the rights of others. Religious institutions could still choose their doctrine and choose whether to perform marriage ceremonies to same sex couples. Realizing the Constitution requires our government equal rights and access under the law, therefore not providing them any powers to regulate morality, and stating that you cannot have a moral stance because the government cannot are two different things.
Believe what you believe in, and feel secure you have the right to have those beliefs. However, also understand that others have the right to have and live beliefs which may conflict with yours, and that government is to stay out of those differences as those others are not harming you or yours in any way.
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I havenā??t made up my mind about gay people. I hate it when people use the word fag again and again to make gay people look bad. There are good and bad gay people. They are not all good or bad and one shoe doesn't fit all. Some gay men have been known to try to force their selves on other men and I think they should be locked up for life with no parole. If something is consensual between two adults that seems different. I'm not gay but I have worked with gay people. I only had one bad situation where I had to use force to let the person know that I was not gay and didn't want to be.
Maybe now you can understand what it's like for a woman virtually every single day of her life.
Not too fun was it?
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And wading into the religious quagmire...
The Bible is a written work. While I believe the Bible was inspired by God, it passed through humans prior to being written down, in many cases multiple times. Like a piece of literature, the context of the work must be considered in the interpretation. I believe the sections interpreted to condemn gay sex are due to an innate lack of understanding of homosexuality.
In many societies, even ranging into pre-Revolutionary France and beyond, people participated in orgies where they indulged in considerable amounts of alcohol and other substances prior and while engaging in random sexual acts. These partiers would indiscriminately cross boundaries of natural attraction, gender, and inhibitions in their debauchery. These types of affairs are what is being condemned.
In contrast, homosexuals are born with the innate attraction and instincts towards members of the same sex as heterosexuals have towards the opposite sex. If you believe God created everything and that all creation was good, then it conflicts with believing homosexuality is bad, since God made everything, including homosexuals.
On nature...
It is just as unnatural for me to have sexual relations with a woman (believe me, I tried, and my ex-girlfriends always said I lacked hormones) as it is for all the heterosexual males here to have sexual relations with a man.
Looking back, these instincts and attractions were with me from the earliest moments of puberty (while other guys were looking at Playboys and SI swimsuit issues, I was collecting men's muscle magazines.) When I finally passed through the denial phases, it was a total DUH! moment. Most gay people I know were the last to realize their homosexuality, most of the people around them figured it out first.
I cannot resist... 21psi2300...
What makes you think receiving anal sex is painful? I'll only say it's not and leave it at that. If you really want to discuss it further privately, I'll be more than happy to. After answering my grandma's questions, I have no embarrassment discussing it.
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