Yes, in some instances Paul can be difficult to understand and one of the reasons why he said to some of the Christians of that day they weren't ready for solid food.
Totally agreed.
Originally posted by SVTNupe:I never said orgies didn't take place. I wrote whether they were acceptable or not.
I simply find it just too convienent that the morality of this was never touched upon in regards to Solomon, David or any other of the Hewbrew leaders of that day. If it wasn't acceptable, then why was it practiced by biblical leaders back then and not punished by God? Why does the Bible NOT touch this point if it's so blatantly wrong, as you suggest? Again, this is pretty much one of the points behind a harem...
I'm sensing a double-standard here...
Originally posted by SVTNupe:There are a lot "options" that God has taken from those who believe. The choice is whether you want to obey or not. Don't confuse the two.
Depends on your interpretation of what qualifies as obeying. I won't even go into what "obeying" and "not obeying" did for the native populations of certain countries during the Inquisition and the Crusades...
...all in the name of God and his options.
Originally posted by SVTNupe:I can't speak on the whole hemophridite subject. I openly admitted that because I don't know anything about it. I don't know how one is even born like that nor what the conditions are. Until I can better understand the condition, that's the best I can speak on it.
No problem.
Originally posted by SVTNupe:You need to look at the kind of slavery they had at the time. It was a far cry from the kind of slavery we had in the good USofA. Not the same parallel.
In many cases it was far worse in terms of living conditions and environment during biblical times. Those slaves that were caputured in times of war or of certain ethnic or religious backgrounds were particularly abused; many were given tasks by the State or their owners that were rather dangerous, oppressive and lethal.
Check out passages in Exodus that condones the beating of slaves. Also check out in Deuteronomy where Israelites during times of war could take captive women and make slave-wifes of them, regardless whether they were willing or not...
Not the same parallel? The economic, religious and political differences surrounding slaves are almost nil between that 2000 year difference.
Roman, Greek, Spainish, Portugese, Vatican histories and finally the Bible all confirm what I'm paraphrasing here, so I'm not pulling this out of thin air. I'll shoot you a list of references if you'd like to check them out.
Originally posted by SVTNupe:Also, there is no blatant omission on slavery. Think about how a Christian is suppose to treat anyone in this world and explain to me how that doesn't address the kind of slavery we use to have?
There is in regards to the morality of the practice. In fact, there's a TOTAL omission on this aspect of slavery. Even during New Testament times and onwards, Old Testament rules regarding slavery were still common in practice among Christians. Further more, What I find absolutely side-splitting is that the passages that do mention slavery in the Bible, do so only in passing or to dictate law and rule over them (the slaves). NOTHING on morality of the practice...
Originally posted by SVTNupe:I take you last comment as a bit of sarcasm. My point to it was, why even create woman? Why not just make another man? Why the many scriptures about a husband and wife, the relationship between man and woman, becoming one flesh, how the two are to love each other, etc.? I'm sorry JaTo, you argument just doesn't hold enough water for me to swing to other side of the fence.
I've no clue. I have NO idea why certain people are predisposed towards same-sex relations; in some cases it could be a choice, in others it may be a biological difference. I've no clue as to why I'm barking mad over Spanish and Italian women in spite of any other flavor. I'm not questioning why humans have been created as they are; I'm questioning the moral reasoning behind treating them unequally.
Originally posted by SVTNupe:We are to use scriptures to intepret scriptures. It's when man tries to do his own intepration based on what he believes should be the truth that scripture becomes perverted.
Then in that case, tear out Revelations, Psalms, the Song of Solomon, Proverbs and certain passages in the New Testament out of your Bible. History HAS to come into effect to further understand and refine what the Bible has to say about certain things. Biblical scholars have recognized this throughout the centuries.
Religion isn't as static as many are spoon-fed to believe. Serious research outside of Sunday sermons and a Bible Study will bring this to light. It took me more than just a few years to figure this out myself...
I'll not try to blind you, either. I don't have answers on this for the most part. I just think I have some blazingly valid questions that often go unanswered or glassed over by many. This isn't the first time I've had this discussion.
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