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Originally posted by frenchblueC2:
hate it

on the topic of comparing hardships:
don't do that. Knowing that someone else out there has it harder than me does not help my situation suddenly get better. You can't compare how a difficult sitation affects an individual both mentally and physically based on another individuals' difficult situations.





Thank you, Kim. I couldn't have said it better.

I don't hate my job. I hate a couple of people in the lab I work in. One in particular. He's the ONLY "boss" I've ever had that I've blown up on. He talks down to EVERYone like they're children, he doesn't do his OWN job! He shows up promptly at 11:45 on average, is NEVER in his office. God forbid you say or do anything that he doesn't even remotely agree with (esp if you're right and he's not...), he skitters like a little farking cockroach to the lab director's office, where he gets his way, regardless of what the other party has to say, because the lab director doesn't like to make waves!! He's earned the name "Underbridge" from me, because he's a little troll- he does nothing but troll through the office, looking in people's offices, making sure they're there!!! Fortunately, my door doesn't have a window, and I keep the shades on the one window by my door down.

I've worked a handful of odd jobs, computer crap, gopher, produce, video store, computer retail... and while I'm not as gratified in any of them as I feel I should have been, and while they're not GREAT jobs, I can't honestly say I've hated it.

What sucks now, is that the job market is in such disarray (supposedly getting better now), that it's not as easy to just up and quit, which is what my advice would be if you were working a second job for kicks. Had a couple of people do that when I was working at a video store... they did NOTHING but b*tch and complain about the job THEY chose so they could get free rentals, and a second income slightly above minimum wage. Drove me friggin' nuts! And they only worked one night a week!!! Meanwhile, I worked at least two nights a week, and worked 9-6 sundays. Having one day off a week for 3 years taught me a LOT about appreciating weekends.


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I guess I'm not suppose to post, because of the post title, but I actually love my job. I'm a night manager at a free-standing Chick-fil-A restaurant (for those of you who might not know, it is a fast food restaurant that sells chicken) and I work 45 hours/week while going to school. I've been with Chick-fil-A for 6 years and you wouldn't believe how great the people are, from the CEO, S. Truett Cathy, to the owner of my store, and then to the people I work with and hire. It is a privately owned corporation, which means we are able to be closed on Sundays (the CEO and founder is a Christian) and it is the best place I've ever worked (and I've work at a tire shop, doctor's office, and summer camps). I'm graduating in the fall with a bachelor of science in computer and electrical engineering but instead of becoming an engineer I've decided since I like Chick-fil-A so much I'm going to own one. In fact, Chick-fil-A is so great that at the first one I worked (in Tyler, TX) I met my wife who I just married 1 month ago. Let me throw you some facts real quick. 30% of Americans are actively engaged in their work (they love what they do and don't need much motivation), 53% are disengaged (they don't love what they do, and they need motivation), and 17% are actively disengaged (they hate their job and are actually driving customers away). Hopefully those of you who hate your jobs can find something you love to do, because trust me, the better pay or benefits that you may receive at another job aren't worth it if you aren't going to love it.

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i love my job. the past 6 weeks have been hell. but it is a very enjoyable kind of hell.

i'll actually miss it when i start school in Sept.


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Originally posted by ElKy:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
I hate my job,



hate your job?
they send you cross country to go to strip clubs and booze it up!!


Originally posted by Fmr12B:
a video/voice telecom client



did you know the company across the street from my house that you were at is no longer there?




As stated its not all its cracked up to be, ya know I worked every night I was there till 11pm or later except for amateur night I went out. Of course my boss was pisseed I wanted to leave one day at 7pm, like 10hrs isn't enough. I no longer work for him and will never ever work for him again. Guy ended up dropping all his responsibilities on me and then lied about it.


Company is still there according to the web-site,

P Inc.
Tel.: +1.978.292.5000
100 Minuteman Road
Andover, MA 01810



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Originally posted by frenchblueC2:
I hate it because of the people I have to work with.
I love the work. I love the concepts, but I hate the crap I have to go through to do the things I love.

I'm convinced now from my experiences that it will be sh!tty like this no matter where I go in this industry, no matter how big or small the firm.
The sh!t will always pile up high and it'll ALWAYS get in the way of me being able to enjoy the actual work.

I want out but have no idea where to go.
I feel I've wasted years of my life trying to put myself into a career that I'd love and would support me for the rest of my life only to find it's one of the most unhealthy situations I could have ever put myself into.




I feel the same,

I know your not gonna want to hear this Kim, but go and apply to one of the Big 4 and see how you like it there. I don't deal with one prick I deal with all different Pricks because our office is so friggin huge so you can always get away because you will be working for someone new as soon as your cleint is done.. My best friend at the firm just transferred to Chicago and says it is 100X better that our office. Says people are treating him with repect and dignity, they respect his work-life-balance which I can't seem to get. Most american staff transfer out of our office to another office in the US and end up Loving there job all over again because its a good environment, too bad I'm not ready to move.

Mgr. told me yesterday after a 2-week audit of a broadband software company he expects financials to review at the end of the week. I still havent even gotten a COGS detail, I expalin, he says to work around em.


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I like my job, we have a great team of folks to work with, and my boss is pretty great.

I think he micro manages certain things a bit much, but for him, that means he does those things himself, which isn't all bad.

Now on to the customers. That is what drives me nuts. It's a delicate balance, because if some of the customers weren't as messed up as a soup sandwich, then I'd probably be out of a job.

However, it is frustrating to give recommendations to customers only to have them totally ignore them. We've gone in to customers with horrible environmentals (hey just because the vendor says the equipment will operate from 40-90 degrees F and from 20-80 percent relative humidity, non-condensing) does that mean you can operate your data center in a near sauna and expect uptime near 100%. ~70 degrees and around 50% humidity is optimum for maximum uptime) and recommend some NO-COST or LOW-COST changes to the data center to improve uptime and they blow it off. I see spikes in failures every spring and fall when we go from typically low temps and low humidity outdoors (and ultimately in the data center as well) to the opposite and then back again in the fall.

Do they change things? Nope.

Same with patches, etc. I beg, plead, cajole, warn customers that if I cannot get configuration data from their systems, I cannot run this information through our system that checks for potential "gotcha's" that will bring their computers down.

But as soon as one goes down, they can't call me fast enough to ask me 20 questions about what happened, when will you be here, why isn't it fixed yet, etc.

Give me a break, if you were worried enough about it before it went down to be proactive, then why should I drop everything now to bail out your sorry butt. Oh yeah, you are the customer.

Then there are those customers who spend MILLIONS on computer gear and won't pony up money in the tens of thousands to actually train their administrators/operators on how it works. Of course training is no guarantee that someone will become familar and competent, but it's probably the first step.

So I like my job, I get great satisfaction out of installing large systems and solving hard problems.

However, I dred visiting some customers because there is no give and take. Well, I suppose there is, they want to give all the responsibilty for failures to the vendor and take credit for all of the successes.

That wears me thin from time to time.

One final stupid customer story, and I'll close this out. About a month ago now, I had a customer with an SF12K. (Basically a machine that can be domained into upto 9 seperate computers or one really big one with over 50 microprocessors) Anyway, I get a call to gather the Explorer data from this host because one of the domains is down. The only message in the case is Domain X panics, customer cannot send explorer data.

Well one of these things is about $1M dollars, so you'ld think an outfit with that kind of money to spend could figure out how to transfer this data over a network back to Sun for analysis. Nope, they can't, so I drive to downtown St. Louis at about 3:30 in the afternoon to pickup a tape to transport it back to my office to upload. I get the tape and have to travel back to the office with rush hour traffic.

So it's now close to 5PM when I get back to the office, the host has been down for several hours, and I'm just now getting the data. So I upload the tape (contains all of about 10MB of data at most) and send it to the backline engineers and begin looking at it myself with one of the local engineers who has "afterhours" duty (basically the on-call guy) so he is familiar with the case if there is any real field tasks.

One nice thing about these SF12K's and the even bigger SF15K is the console of each machine is logged, so every keystroke and response is visible.

Well, I look at the console log to get the PANIC message to see if it is a hardware issue, and it isn't, the system is complaining about missing files.

(For those geeks out there it was giving an Errno #8 on /etc/init, symbolically linked to /sbin/init the mother of all Unix/Solaris processes)

So I call the customer up and tell them it appears /sbin/init is missing or corrupt and they will probably need to restore from a backup tape. The response, this is the backup server. DOH!!!

So I ask them if they made any backups with the native tools that come from Solaris, even though you are using some slick tool from another vendor to manage a complex backup scheme. It is always a good idea to have some sort of backup that you can install quickly in what many call a "bare metal install" because if your slick tool is trashed, you can't use all the slickness to restore, but if you have a ufsdump (the built-in utility in solaris) that has a copy of your O/S and that slick tool with all of it's indexes, your local Sun SSE can bail you out.

Nope, no such ufsdump...

So anyway, the afterhours engineer ends up spending a good portion of the night helping them recover. Basically doing a task that the admins should be able to do in his and her (yes we had both men and women on the customer's team) sleep.

The next day, I start digging into the why did it happen. It seems the person on the console at 10:29:41 typed about 500 lines of commands in a matter of seconds. The only way this happened is if someone did an errant cut and paste.

It seems someone at the console using the root account accidentally pasted some screen output to the prompt and of course the shell interpreted that information as commands to execute.

Some of that output included a directory listing, basically the output of ls -l of the /etc directory.

This output looks like:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Feb 19 16:59 hosts -> ./inet/hosts
drwxr-xr-x 2 adm adm 512 Feb 19 16:59 http
drwxr-xr-x 2 root sys 512 Feb 20 23:46 imq
drwxr-xr-x 4 root sys 1024 Mar 18 18:31 inet
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 17 Feb 20 22:08 inetd.conf -> ./inet/inetd.conf
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Feb 19 16:59 init -> ../sbin/init
drwxr-xr-x 2 root bin 3072 May 30 16:57 init.d
prw------- 1 root root 0 Jun 25 11:30 initpipe
-rw-r--r-- 1 root sys 1360 May 30 16:58 inittab
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Feb 19 16:59 install -> ../usr/sbin/install

I didn't give all of it to you, but I did include /etc/init as I mentioned above.

I figured out that what happened to the customer machine was the shell interpreted the line:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Feb 19 16:59 init -> ../sbin/init

as execute the command lrwxrwxrwx with some arguments and redirect the output (that's what the > means) to the file ../sbin/init

Well lrwxrwxrwx is not a valid solaris command, so the file ../sbin/init was replaced with the output of there command or ZERO bytes. Basically this file (and many others) were zeroed out by operator or administrator error.

But the hard part for me and our team was this was now OUR emergency. These folks had millions to spend on hardware. (They have 1 SF12K and 3 SF15K's plus a pretty large amount of storage) but they couldn't be bothered with training the admins or putting in the proper safeguards to prevent direct root logins.

(You should not allow a person to log in as root directly, but instead you should require normal user logins and then those users take the root role with the su command. Then you can log the su's to see who was root when the damage was done.)

But even after we came out and fixed what they broke and even after we POLITELY demonstrated how the human error occurred and after we even demonstrated WHEN it happened so they could figure out who did it. (Blame is very important in corporate America ) I don't think I got as much as a thankyou nor an apology from the guilty party.

I'm pretty sure the guilty party was on our case for a faster resolution, but certainly wasn't quick to admit or even recognize that he or she trashed the machine. Instead they wanted to quietly open a service call and hope we'd fix it without finding out how the system went down.

No wonder I've lost my hair, my customers make me pull it out.

It's great that I have a good team to work with in the local office, otherwise I really would hate my job.

Thanks for reading.

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The Federal minimum wage is $5.15 an hour, which applies to employees which are considered FLSA (Fair Labor Standards Act) eligible. For those employees whose jobs do not entitle them to FLSA status, the State's minimum wage prevails. Here in Kansas, the state minimum wage is $2.65 an hour.

From what I could determine off some labor websites, FSLA laws cover companies with at least 2 employees which do at least $500,000 a year in business, or to employees of hospitals, medical practices, schools, and government agencies. In addition, FSLA labor laws apply if an employee is engaged in a business which has commerce between states.


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Originally posted by BOFH:
I like my job, we have a great team of folks to work with, and my boss is pretty great....




You and I are on opposing ends of the same business, you being with Sun and me formerly being with IBM (now an IBM Business Partner).

I can't even BEGIN to tell you how similar your gripes are in comparison to mine, not to mention the issues with some of the wacko customers I support...

...don't get me wrong, though. I love customers as they are the one's that ultimately put food on my table. It's just some of really could use courses in remedial Admin Training 101, Anger Management 101, or Problem Management 101...

Then I've a couple that could use ALL three, complete with a full-time on-site consulting staff (which for some reason they think I qualify as and to which I respond with the question of "Where's my service contract?" )

You know you're a whipping post in an account when your competition thinks twice about engaging them, especially in today's economy.

Thankfully, those types of accounts only make up of perhaps 5% of my customer base.

As it is, I feel I'm quite fortunate in my current position. I've a boss who pretty much leaves me in charge of my own territory and customers, I work when I want (sometimes 20-30 hrs a week, sometimes 80-90 hrs a week; depends on the workload) and I run most of the aspects of the sales and technical efforts in our midrange group (Intel/UNIX/Linux and Enterprise Storage) within a 5-state region.

There are parts of my job I dislike, but overall I'll take this over what I used to do at IBM any freaking day of the YEAR.

Let's just say I'm not fond of politics and rules for the sole sake of them and at the expense of the customer...

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We need an IT story-swapping thread. I've got some zingers that will have rolling and some that would have others cringing (customer names edited out for protection, of course). I've only been at this for around 10 years now, but some of the crap I've seen firsthand and had told to me secondhand would give most data center managers nightmares.

Let me set the stage:

Two guys on 3rd shift tape rotation at one of the top 10 largest data centers in the South.

Two hockey sticks.

One Magstar tape for a puck.

A couple acres of tapes in racks that aren't bolted down to the floor.

I'll just state that the data center in question now has stainless steel bolts that attach each and every tape rack in their data center securely to the floor now...

No sh!t, either. One of the techs got the Magstar tape in question bronzed and mounted. It sits at his desk to this day...


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