lightnings are sweet, but the best stock one I've seen in person is (at the track) 13.5. Which is right where guys with just a boost controller (like me) are running,. I was actually contemplating waiting for the new lightning to come out. But I'm sick of the direction svt is going in, and dodge is seriously in front right now with all it's new SRT vehicles that are in the works. Plus the current lightnings are auto's which is yuk IMO for racing, I just have a lot more fun shifting myself.