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Originally posted by BStoneMega:
Whats the SRT-4 handle like? can it touch the SVT?
Yes it can handle, they used previous knowledge of the Neon ACR and designed components to compliment the car.
With the 2.4L Iron block it weighs a lot so the f/r bias is quite large.
Also on skinny 17x5.5" wheels and 205/50 rubber.
I would expect the car to keep up with a stock CSVT in handling.
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by BStoneMega:
Whats the SRT-4 handle like? can it touch the SVT?
Yes it can handle, they used previous knowledge of the Neon ACR and designed components to compliment the car.
With the 2.4L Iron block it weighs a lot so the f/r bias is quite large.
Also on skinny 17x5.5" wheels and 205/50 rubber.
I would expect the car to keep up with a stock CSVT in handling.
According to motor trend it isn't that great of a handler. The FSVT is much better in that department and mazdaspeed protege was the best.
Neon was the fastest straightliner, hands down.
They gave it a cheap plasticy interior rating, but the best fun to drive factor.
Go figure. IMHO Its hard for any manufacturer to nail all three categories all the time, but Dodge almost never does!
Interior quality is mostly their last priority with looks/power first, handling second, quality last.
BMW, Honda/Acura, Mercedes, these companies usually nail it on the head. Toyota, VW and Audi are good while Ford does all right, but Dodge and Chevy are vying with each other for last place w/regard to interior quality.
With regard to the SRT's pulling stong up to redline:
I don't see it as bad, but I can't see it being that great either. Remember how the SVT N/A just zips, power never falls off and you tag the fuel cut-off until you learn to drive it? That is a funcion of a flat torque curve causing a power curve that NEVER has a point of DECREASING (negative) slope! The rate of increase lessens, but its always positive.
The dyno graph of the neon SRT I have is almost a drop-off (read:cliff)at 5000 rpm where the torque is just gone. The torque is 230 ft-lbs at 4800rpm and by 5800rpm it is about 180 ft-lbs. By 6000 rpm its about 170 ft-lbs.
What is the stock redline for the engine?
I'd be surpised if it was over 6K rpm.
Granted, this is only one representative dyno, but according to this one I'd be shifting by 5400 rpm to maximize power to the wheels.
I've gone over and over the stats, and I don't see how the SRT can destroy a turbo SVT except on the take-off since it's lighter; drivers being equal of course.
But as DemonSVT says, this is bench racing and it sucks. However, its all we have for now.
I hope there is one at the track tonight, I'm taking the video camera.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
They gave it a cheap plasticy interior rating, but the best fun to drive factor.
Interior quality is mostly their last priority with looks/power first, handling second, quality last.
The SRT comes with 2003 Viper seats covered in cloth. What his mean is that the seats are beyond supportive and the side bolsters are massive.
Yeah the rest of the interior is Neon-esque.
I think with the 7yr 100K mile warranty, quality will be fine. And remember Stage 1-3 are dealer add-ons which do not void warranty.
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I agree wit warmonger. The ability to nail all three areas are almost directly related to price. A car company won't offer a 20k car that has excellent interior, build quality, handling, and acceleration. How would they sell the higher priced cars if they did?
Also, as far as bench racing goes, I think a turbo svt would beat the srt. Vortech contours are usually running around a 14 flat at over 100mph, which would be somewhat of a close race. These aren't pro drivers either. The dramatically increased bottom end and slightly increased top end of the turbo should put the contour ahead in my opinion.
Edit - I'm talking about a stock srt4
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Originally posted by The Ripper:
I'm not afraid of the srt4 from a roll, but I won't tangle with one from a stop. Too much bottom end! I'll leave that to the turbo guys.
But every car is only as fast as the one driving it. So while we have "MotorTrend this" "R&T that" you can get crap for a driver. We all know these testers are professionals. Just look at some svt ΒΌ-mile track times here, ranging from 14's to 16's. Some guys just aren't good at racing, and sometimes guys just mess up.
We can rightfully expect this with this car. Sure you get alot of enthusiats buying it;who know how to drive, but many too who are young, inexperienced or older and react slower.
Hows about we get real track times from the current SRT owner on the board.
So point in case is that you don't know what to expect with this one. It's all in the driver, so yes you SVT'ers w/o a turblow could take one (being that you are a VERY good driver and the kneon has a 16 yr old in it  )
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Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:
Originally posted by BStoneMega:
Whats the SRT-4 handle like? can it touch the SVT?
I get mixed responses...some say it can some say it can't.....but one things for sure, there is some wheel gap!!!!! It looks really ugly.....Im sure they designed mostly for stright line.....Like some people say, when you lower it you may effect its stright line ability....But again there is mixed feelings about it.....Ford needs to pick up the ball...and not with the focus SVT, but with 4 door mid sizer with balls to challange it.
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Originally posted by bc_mondeo:
Originally posted by The Ripper:
I'm not afraid of the srt4 from a roll, but I won't tangle with one from a stop. Too much bottom end! I'll leave that to the turbo guys.
So point in case is that you don't know what to expect with this one. It's all in the driver, so yes you SVT'ers w/o a turblow could take one (being that you are a VERY good driver and the kneon has a 16 yr old in it )
I'm pretty confident that my top end is competitive. 8lbs even with the parasitic loss pulls hard at high speeds. The only problem with the srt is that you do 1k in mods and I'm sure you'd be in the low 13s. Much better platform to start with, and the aftermarket is already taking off like crazy. I personally think it has some of the best potential to be a monster out of the new class of turbo compacts.
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 First things first, the SRT-4 would murder a stock CSVT. With that said....I am SOOOO tired of people trying to act like the CSVT is a race car! I'm not trying to hate as I know everyone likes their car to be fast, but enough is enough already. Okay, a select few of us have modified their CSVTs to be incredibly fast. Even with that said, ALOT of $$$ has to go into creating a beast like that. The CSVT is all about superb handling, good quickness, and great top end speed. It's a driver's car. A cruiser. A semi-refined sports sedan. It's NOT a rice-burner, pocket-rocket, musclecar, sports car, drag car, super car, or whatever other term that you can think of describing a very fast automobile. In my opinion the CSVT is the most refined road car that SVT has made to date. The Lightning and Mustang SVTs are strictly speed/performance machines. If you want to race someone, buy one of those and you can smoke or run with just about anything on the road today. Anyway, sorry for thread jacking, I just had to vent....
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My Brother-in-law has one of the fastest in the country as of now....as far as the people on the SRT-4 forums, he is number 2. 13.4 @ 102.xx This is simply with a re-routed intake, boost controller, and drag radials....the drage radials nocked off .6 of a second. as soon as the computer is in it should be runnin 12's. This is his next preject car for his performance shop. He will be selling performance parts for it....so if any of you SRT-4 guys are interested... www.diamondstarmotorsport.com
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Originally posted by The Ripper:
I'm pretty confident that my top end is competitive. 8lbs even with the parasitic loss pulls hard at high speeds. The only problem with the srt is that you do 1k in mods and I'm sure you'd be in the low 13s. Much better platform to start with, and the aftermarket is already taking off like crazy. I personally think it has some of the best potential to be a monster out of the new class of turbo compacts.
I wonder how much it will cost to fix these cars when they are out of warranty. Which some will be, when they add certain aftermarket stuff. You turbo or S/C guys know 1st hand how much it cost to fix these H.O. engines. Also, we don't know how the car will end up performing like after 1 years worth of driving in the span of several hard driven months. I'm still leary about new hi-perf cars and their reliability (sti/evo7/srt/redline/ss/etc). Would you wanna own one of these cars out of their warranty? Likely NOT.
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