svtcarboy, that is a great way to buy a car and get around the bs. it works on my car lot. i do take the customers offer if it allows me enough profit on the car and if not, i tell him how much more i need to make the sale. usually we come to terms. if not, some one else will come alone that can meet my requirements. or not, then i am stuck with a car that actually loses me money. sometimes that happens. thanks goodness not to often or i would be unable to pay my bills. this is still better than a real job

it is better to beg forgivness than to ask permission
