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DemonSVT I am sorry about the research comment..That was uncalled for I dont know u. But I do stand behind what I said ground wires do help...I'd even be willing to put money down that if you dynoed your car and between runs you put a complete ground kit on your car you would with your own eyes see a HP diffrence. there easy to install and we could do it in no time.
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Originally posted by Importslayer:
DemonSVT I am sorry about the research comment..That was uncalled for I dont know u. But I do stand behind what I said ground wires do help...I'd even be willing to put money down that if you dynoed your car and between runs you put a complete ground kit on your car you would with your own eyes see a HP diffrence. there easy to install and we could do it in no time.
Then do it and prove everybody wrong!
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Originally posted by Importslayer:
1. Iridium plugs have iridium at both.
2. Iridium plugs fire 0.6 to 0.7 seconds faster I know that doesn't sound like alot but think how fast then pistons are moving. Pre detonation is bad so is late. With these plugs u dont worry about that they fire at the top stroke on time every time at idle or at 7grand
3. I can care less about what you run in your car or what you think works or not a guy was asking what people thought about grounds I told him what I had seen with my own eyes.
Like I said to start not all cars will respond the same to that mod(or and other) there all at diffrent stages of performance and mainteance. But I'm telling you grounds do help some cars.
4. I dont sell car part, I'm a jet mechanic I have no reason to hype up a product. I just call it like I see it.
5. I did mistype when I said more electrode I ment bigger. The smaller the electrode the more concentrated the potential at the electrode. Mine I believe are around 0.4mm.
6. Since they fire faster they give a slight edge on acceleration and they have helped with gas consumtpion.
Dear lord. Please try and learn punctuation, grammar, and spelling. It's very hard to even try and make break points between the gibberish! It also does very little to add to the credibility of anything you type when it is done in such a manner.
1. Iridium plugs have a standard ground electrode. Denso iridiums have their U-groove standard ground electrode. Feel free to check out any of the manufacturer's websites for picture proof of that!
Standard ground equals standard wear regardless of center (lead) electrode tip composition. Standard ground electrodes on our "waste-fire" ignition system are prone to extremely rapid wear. (I.E. Don't waste your money!)
2. Bullsh~t!!! 6 to 7 tenths of a second! The entire firing sequence lasts 1.5-1.6 mS. Wow. I am nearly dumbfounded at that response.
You do realize that 6000 rpm is 1 rotation every 10 mS
In case you are missing the entire point a millisecond is one one-thousandth of a second (1/1000)
Even a 600 rpm idle is 1 rotation every tenth of a second!
So you just stated these plugs fire 7 full rotations early at a 600 rpm idle! 
3. That's really just more gibberish. If something doesn't work it doesn't work. (or more properly put doesn't help) Plain & simple. Just because you don't believe some body or hard data will not magically make it work.
If a car (like any made in the last decade or more) has a good series of grounds then adding more grounds is not going to accomplish anything but add pretty looking wires to the engine bay. "Bling, Bling!"
Yes the exact same theory applies to spark plug wires as well. The Magnecores I installed added zero performance over the fine set of stock wires, but they do look pretty and will last much longer.
Wires, grounds, plugs, etc will never generate extra power. However bad ones can rob power.
4. Irrelevant, scary to think about that considering your posts!  , your call is dead wrong and you need glasses.   (there's my uncalled for tactlessness you've all been waiting for  )
5. In a way that is correct, but both PA and I have already well discussed electrode design theory previously. (See the part about lower emissions and better throttle response)
6. Wrong. Go back to answer #1. Though like previous stated in previous posts (and answer 4) finer electrodes can be better.
However they also wear out a lot faster. Two sides to every coin so-to-speak.
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Ngk dont wear fast. If you and your crew get a second take a look the last month and this month Import tuner take a look at page 118 there Power page if your not familiar its where they take a car and dyno it. they ad 3 mods and tell you what the results are. p.g. 118 has hyperground wires they show a 4.9 hp gain....look in this month book page 96 diffrent car and only got 0.9 theres your fing proof in a unbiased mag they test products from diffrent companies ever month.
the #2 Your right I was think about accelaration. I should proof read,but she does fire faster.
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Originally posted by Importslayer:
Ngk dont wear fast. If you and your crew get a second take a look the last month and this month Import tuner take a look at page 118 there Power page if your not familiar its where they take a car and dyno it. they ad 3 mods and tell you what the results are. p.g. 118 has hyperground wires they show a 4.9 hp gain....
What kind of car do they run the tests on? A Honda? A Subaru? Different makes of cars and even different families of engines within the same brand can have different styles of ignition sytems, each with it's own requirements. I think Ford knew the duratec's ignition and what it requires when they specified double platinum plugs. If the duratec could have gotten by with cheaper plugs don't you think Ford would have used them?
Oh excuse me, I should have said "ifthedurateccouldhavegottenbywithcheaperplugsdontyouthinkfordwouldhaveusedthem"
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On some cars yes grounding does help. Mitsubishi's are a prime example being that their ignition system sucks. I've heard of some gaining as much as 14hp and seen some gain as much as 7hp. On a Duratec however, I'm not so sure. I've never grounded the hell out of my car and run it. It's easy enough to do though.
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I saw a dyno plot for a 95 Nissan maxima, gained like 3-4 hp overall and a peak of 8hp. The real question is, what color of green was his factory ground to begin with?
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damn fellas!  im sorry that i started a war! i will just take this all into consideration and maybe get a new golf club or somethin!  haha
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Originally posted by Importslayer:
MUSICNUT: That's cool that yours came stock with double plat plugs, guess I got the cheap tour.
Actually, it was my understanding that (for at least some significant portion of the Duratec's manufacture) Ford installed single plats on factory engines.
However, there was some reason behind this: The plugs used had platinum on the center electrode of the front bank set (where the plugs fire in a conventional direction) and on the ground electrode of the rear set (where plugs fire backwards to conventional ignition). In an effort to save pennies per vehicle (which comes out to millions of dollars per year), Ford only specified platinum where it was needed.
However, the service recommendation was for double plats to lessen confusion and allow the dealerships to carry a smaller amount of stock in common part numbers.
I am 99.999% sure all Duratecs came with platinum plugs from the factory. The other 0.001% is due to the possibility of UAW incompetence or supplier mistake in material available at the point of installation.
If any Contour Duratec had AWSF32C installed in them, it was either an assembly mistake or they weren't the OEM plugs (i.e. had been changed at some point).
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