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Ok so I pulled the codes. Good news, no more P171-174 or P172-175. I traded those codes in for 2 new ones. P161 Bad O2 sensor, and P1518 IMRC Stuck Open. Im guessing it isnt carbon build up either because I didnt have the code until after I swapped the injectors out. Im willing to bet I pinched a wire or unplugged one, but then again would then runners open up at all if I pinched a line or unplugged one on accident? You would think they would be stuck shut. Any suggestions before I tear it all down again?


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Well Mark I found out why the Autotap inst working on your car. Their is a different model number for Fords. I have the GM only autotap. I thought they worked on all OBDII cars but I guess they dont. If you want to pull the intake off tonight ill be in the garage getting the truck ready for tomarrow. Your welcome to use the tools.


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Hey I just wanted to give you guys an update on Mark's car and also ask some questions. Last night we replaced one of the O2 sensor dummies and got rid of the check engine light so now it should be running to its full potential and we are ready to start tuning.

My first question would be, with the 3.0, are we maxing out the stock MAF sensor flow wise? I wouldnt think so but a lot of the hybrid guys are running bigger MAF sensors and I wanted to know why.

Second, What should we use as a tuning tool? We will have a Wideband O2 sensor so we'll know exactly where our A/F ratio is at but what would be the most cost effective method to tweak it. The three options ive seen so far in my searching is to use the MAF Calibrator from Pro-M, The Greddy E-Manage that warmonger is using, and having a custom burnt chip. Mark was saying their is a guy who custom burns chips by your Dyno graph. Is that the way to go? I would think even after a custom burnt chip you would want something to be able to tweak your A/F a little bit because running on the dyno has a different effect than running on the street.

Let us know what you think guys. Thanks.

Hey also can the SAFC be made to work good on Contours?



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Originally posted by BlownSonoma:


Hey also can the SAFC be made to work good on Contours?






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According to shoshop the stock MAF is 70mm and the stock throttle body is 60mm so I dont see how the Pro-M MAF is going to help us much. Are you guys buying them strictly for the different calibrations they have?


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Originally posted by BlownSonoma:
Are you guys buying them strictly for the different calibrations they have?




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Originally posted by BlownSonoma:
My first question would be, with the 3.0, are we maxing out the stock MAF sensor flow wise? I wouldnt think so but a lot of the hybrid guys are running bigger MAF sensors and I wanted to know why.




If you max the stock MAF out, you'll get a check engine light for something along the lines of "MAF out of range - high". I asked that question to someone in the know when I first was debugging my setup, and was told that it would take quite a bit for an all-motor 3L to reach max flow on the stock SVT (70 mm) MAF. I've been fine with the stock MAF so far.

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Well its been a boring day so I did some more research. It seems warmonger is the authority on 3.0 liter tuning and he reccomends using the stock MAF and the stock injectors with the E-Manage. I like the idea because then we can change to 24 lb injectors when Mark wants to go with the nitrous. The only question I have is about the timing control. It sounds like one big advantage of burning a chip is that you can lower the sensitivity of the knock sensor so it doesnt pull so much timing. Will the E-Manage be able to correct this when you guys get the timing part working?
Also are their any provisions on the e-manage for nitrous? I think we are going to run into problems when we try and combine the Venom VCN2000 with the E-Manage. However if we could just run a cheaper dry shot and use the E-Manage to control it in the same way as the venom, I think we would be golden.


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Thanks for the faith in me, but I don't do it alone, I just talk the loudest! PA3L, DemonSVT, Bnoon, and some others all have great input and I've learned from them as well.

To your questions and concerns:
Stock injectors support an easy 220=230 wHP, its been done and proven. 24's are used on the turbo kit and are probably good to 260-280wHP or so.

MAF, the stock maf can flow a lot, probably near w280 HP so goes good with 19's or 24's.

Tuning devices.

-The absolute simplest yet effective way is with the SAFC. Its cheap and it does the job, has some cool extra features and looks cool.

-The eManage is the bang for the buck, about the same price as the SAFC, maybe a tad more and you can directly control the fuel injectors as well as scale the MAF voltage; plus on top of that you can save many data maps and also save raw real-time data while you're driving for future analysis. I use that feature all the time to fine tune my car. Endless flexibility, you can save a fuel map for just about any occasion and download it into the emanage while you are driving. I often let my wife drive on a roadtrip while I screw with the emanage and the OBDII diagnostics, changing things and reading/saving data.

-Optimizer. I think it sucks. Considering its cost and the cost of the other units its not a great buy. It is also very one dimensional as it scales the maf curve but much less flexible; however it's good if you only need to dial in the maf curve a little bit.

**Problem with any of the above devices is that if you make serious changes to your MAF or your injectors, I mean big changes like 50% larger or so, then you are not going to be able to compensate with the SAFC or the eManage.
That is the problem I ran into, so I ended up with a custom chip to roughly tune the MAF and the injectors into the ballpark. On top of it I use the emanage to fine-tune still as if the chip were never there. The chip controls my timing so I don't detonate.

-The custom chip is great for full programability, but it sucks because tuning time is on top of it and you can't tune it yourself. every little change costs $ for a reburn plus shipping.

-TWEECER. Man this is the best one! Basically a custom chip you can program yourself over and over again with a laptop. Basically, think of the emanage and the chip, + a little bit more! Drawbacks are complexity..not for everyone and not every model of contour is supported.

***eManage timing control***
It works, and is/was undergoing additional testing, you can call it 'beta' testing until recently. However, it is going to cost money. The minimum cost is probably at least $175 just to support the construction of these devices. Add that on top of the emanage and you are around $500.
Then, you are still left with the fact that the emanage can't handle huge changes in MAF calibration or injector sizes.



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