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As always, I think the monkey is on (to) something.

I just got back from seeing it, and the wife and I were thinking quite along the same lines as Lewk (scary thought, isn't it )

There are many things that point to the "outside" and Zion being simply another layer of the matrix. I think one of the key moments is the conversation with the architect, where he tells Neo what I think is the truth (for the most part) but isn't telling him the whole truth. He says the Oracle is the mother of the matrix, and had discovered a way to give choice to the people. So, 99% of people live happily in the "matrix" and 1% "choose the blue pill". Well, they aren't just going to toss away that 1%, so they have an "outside" to the matrix, where the "blue pill" people think they have escaped thier prison walls to when they have merely escaped into a different part of the prison.

Another key point, is that Agent Smith can still control the guy once he is "out" of the matrix; the fact that he no longer looks like Smith once he's out, is simply a device to keep the audience guessing. He is no doubt the one that set off the EMP, and is the one laying on the table next to Neo at the end.

I think the first hint at a matrix within a matrix was in the first movie (and again in the second) when Neo and Trinity exert control over life and death in both "worlds" simultaneously. Though, it only makes sense in retrospect, because its easy enough to come up with other interpretations.

For me, what sealed the deal on my opinion of how it works, is when Neo said "he felt" the sentinels at the end, even before he stopped them. I had ventured a guess that the two worlds were in fact nested matrices, and had realized that now w/ Smith on the "outside" that some code would have leeched over the boundary, and what would stop more from going over, so I was sort of looking for something like this. Neo's abilities seem to be coming with him back to the "real world" now, though, not without difficulty.

Agent Smith, hmm; I love this character, and the actor that plays him .(Hugh Leaving I think, he also plays Elrond in LOTR) I tihnk that at the end of the first movie, when Neo "kills" him, Smith, as a sentient program, starts to understand how to exert control over the matrix like Neo does. He combines that with the abilities his original programming as an agent gave him, and viola, that explains what he can do, but not why he does it. As my favorite monkey pointed out above, Smith very clearly describes his hatred for humans and the matrix, hence his desire to kill off the humans, and consequently Neo, because Neo is supposedly the savior of humankind. What Smith doesn't know (yet) is big picture, about the rebuilding of the matrix 6 times before, and that the matrix has intentionally set Neo up to destroy the matrix (actually, just the inner layer of the matrix) so they can start it over again. If Smith understood the big picture, he wouldn't be trying so hard to stop Neo; he's more of a rogue program now. I think that for the third one, the big picture will be explained to Smith, and he will kick into overdrive to stop Neo and company from destroying the source to put a stop to all layers of the matrix.

Ok, enough of my rambling, back to your regularly scheduled programming

I actually think the plot is a little thinner in this one, partly because of the way they are more 'vague'

One thing that annoyed me a little bit about the action scenes was when Trinity was on a bike with the keymaker, that was a Ducati 996, there was NO WAY a cop car should have gained on them.

Anybody else notice all the saturns, Cadillacs, Oldsmobiles, Chevrolets, and pontiacs populating the freeway? It was really starting to distract me for a bit there, but only I noticed out of the group I went with.

Another character I'm not entirely sure about is Zion's councilor. His argument with Neo had me thinking he had a respect for the machines that were about to crush them. It was one of the first times I began thinking about the possability of a second matrix outside the matrix, he mentions how humans are completely dependant on machines and that without them they would never be able to survive, it seemed like he was almost trying to convince Neo that the machines are a nessecity.

I wish I could see that movie again in a decent theatre when I have the cash again. The one I saw it in had no surround sound and some real dumb [censored] sitting in front of me wouldn't STFU One of them got up in the middle of the chase scene where the agent jumps on the Alero and crushed it. I missed it

When did Nairobi die? Was it her ship that blew up while they were in the powerplant? Yes it is going to be a LONG 6 months. I cant wait , this movie may not have been as cool as the first for some people. But thats just because the first one was completely different than any other movie. I like movies like this with so many different possibilities and stuff to think about/ figure out.


PS- Thanks for the revolutions trailer.

I am pretty sure it was Naobi and her crew that went on the search and rescue for Morpheus's ship. Then they contacted them around the time Neo found out about the keymaker. Remember when they were planning to knock out the power plant? Isn't that Naobi in the Matrix with Morpheus and crew? Then she and her team are the ones disabling the power plant backup power. But during that the sentinals blow up their ship and you see them all fall down, and thats when Trinity has to go in and make sure the power still is left off long enough for Neo to open the door.

I guess maybe somehow they could have survived the blast, but I would think if they get booted off the Matrix without an actual phone "exit" they would die. Thats what happened to Switch and Apac(sp?) in the first one.

Yeah , who knows. I just finally got the WHOLE trailer to download (only half would work yesterday) and it looks like a REALLY good movie. "It ends tonight"