i think it's a driver's race bone stock vs. bone stock. . .thye're fast and peppy, but truth be told, I've driven a Type S, and there's no umph until like 6 or 7k, and given an SVT has a more revable engine, we could get into the sweet spot faster if the driver is good enough not to screw up the shifting (I should be talking!). . .remember, it's a SEDAN vs. a 2dr cpe, if you put 4 doors on a type-s, you'd get a CL whatever they are Acura type S, and those things aren't that tough to keep up with. . .IMHO.