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That little blurb at the top is a bunch of BS. Classic example of someone taking something and blowing it way out of proportion.
The story ran last year in, I think Newsweek, or a similar periodical, when they had their first 'integrated' Prom.
I don't remember the exact details of the story, but segregated proms weren't a matter of racism to these kids, they have a lot of "inter-racial friendships", it was a matter of tradition and even more a matter of practicality.
Go to a Prom, or any party, and what will you see -- blacks and whites voluntarily segregated. Each group doing their own thing.
The kids liked having their "own" parties, with music they preferred to listen to, and dancing they enjoyed doing. And they didn't enforce the segregation. You went to the "Black" Prom if you wanted to listen and dance to Rap/HipHop, and the "White" Prom if you wanted to listen to Country and Top 40.
Face it, throughout much of the US, blacks and whites, especially teens, are equalizing in tastes and desires. But in the South, there's still a pretty large distinction in what each group likes.
It's not racism, it's just that a lot of the 'Whites' would prefer to dance to Garth Brooks at their Prom, and a lot of the 'Blacks' would prefer to listen to 50-cent.
I never went to my Prom, but if I had, I'd rather have gone to one catered to what I liked, than some generic party that tryed to please everyone and failed in all respects. Which is what happened at this "Integrated Prom".
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Originally posted by sigma:
Go to a Prom, or any party, and what will you see -- blacks and whites voluntarily segregated. Each group doing their own thing.
and this is OK? isn't "school" about LEARNING? how are you going to learn anything about someone else's beliefs or interests if you don't interact with them?
saying that segregated dances is OK because the kids like it that way is a cop-out.
if they CHOOSE to separate themselves at the same dance for one particular year, does that mean they'll do the same thing next year, and the year following that? maybe, but how will you know for sure unless you free the kids of such and assinine barrier like segregated dances.
FURTHERMORE!!!!!! how do YOU know that black kids don't listen to Garth Brooks or white kids don't listen to 50 cent? you don't. this separation is based on SKIN COLOR ONLY. not the kids' interests. and it doesn't keep the kids' interests or social growth in mind.
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Originally posted by Pete D:
In EdwardC's defense: It's nice to see a POV other than the usual "I love Dubya, Jesus and the NRA"
I don't even know where to start about that situation in Georgia 
I love Dubya, Jesus, and the NRA, and I am also a bit surprised by the GA story. However, I also agree that there is always more to the story...
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did they actually have a sign up that says "Whites Only" or "Blacks Only"? i don't think so, i thought that kind of signage was outlawed and they could get arrested. do you really think that if one went to the other that they would get beat up for it or not allowed in? plus, these are private parties like you say, the gov't and school has no way of saying they can't do it (unless it's on school property). i'm white and i have been to "balck" parties and clubs and never had any problems. i'm also have family in GA so i know it is way different there than here. just some thoughts though 
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Until then, parents and students organized separate proms for whites and blacks after school officials stopped sponsoring dances, in part because they wanted to avoid problems arising from interracial dating.
So sad that people still live in the past. 
Did the school official see problems with interracial dating, or just the parents?
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FURTHERMORE!!!!!! how do YOU know that black kids don't listen to Garth Brooks or white kids don't listen to 50 cent? you don't. this separation is based on SKIN COLOR ONLY. not the kids' interests. and it doesn't keep the kids' interests or social growth in mind.
Um, maybe because I read the actual article, complete with interviews of the kids. Not this biased blurb that not only doesn't tell you the whole story but lies about a great deal of it.
Of course some of the whites like rap, and some of the blacks like country. And guess what, they went to the "other" Prom. This wasn't a forced thing. The kids came and went amongst Proms as they pleased.
It hadn't a damn thing to do with skin color. This mini-article made it out that way, but it's not. It's not a "Black" and "White" Prom, it's a "Country" and "HipHop" Prom more than anything.
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and this is OK? isn't "school" about LEARNING? how are you going to learn anything about someone else's beliefs or interests if you don't interact with them?
A Prom is not School. And you cannot force people to like someone else.
Do you ever go out to Clubs or Bars?
If you do I bet there's bars and clubs you do like and some that you don't like. You go where you like the atmosphere. Different clubs cater to different people. They're making 2 proms that cater to different people rather than 1 prom that caters to no one.
Ask a graduating senior what they thought of their Prom. A vast majority will say: "It was alright, but they played too much of XXXX and not enough XXXXX type of music."
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if they CHOOSE to separate themselves at the same dance for one particular year, does that mean they'll do the same thing next year, and the year following that? maybe, but how will you know for sure unless you free the kids of such and assinine barrier like segregated dances.
I understand that you didn't read the article from a year ago, but did you at least read what I wrote?
The kids have done this decades. Last year was the first, and only year they decided to try out an "Integrated Prom", mainly because they were short on money and couldnt' afford 2 Proms.
They tried it, didn't like it, do they're going back to the old way. And it's hasn't a damn thing to do with Racism.
Yes, it was rooted in racism, but that time has long passed for these kids. They continue to do it because it's simply makes sense to please almost everyone than pleasing damn near no one.
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Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
did they actually have a sign up that says "Whites Only" or "Blacks Only"? i don't think so, i thought that kind of signage was outlawed and they could get arrested. do you really think that if one went to the other that they would get beat up for it or not allowed in? plus, these are private parties like you say, the gov't and school has no way of saying they can't do it (unless it's on school property). i'm white and i have been to "balck" parties and clubs and never had any problems. i'm also have family in GA so i know it is way different there than here. just some thoughts though
Good point. I lost count of how many AAA (Asian-American Association) parties I went to in college. I had friends there, and the music was always great. My, um, white frat-friends couldn't seem to get past Bon Jovi. Anyway, the point was not to exclude.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Do you ever go out to Clubs or Bars?
yes, quite often, thank you. but i have never been to a bar that was "white only" or "black only".
Originally posted by sigma:
I understand that you didn't read the article from a year ago, but did you at least read what I wrote?
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Yes, it was rooted in racism, but that time has long passed for these kids. They continue to do it because it's simply makes sense to please almost everyone than pleasing damn near no one.
actually, i DID read the article from last year. i admit that i don't remember all the details, but my impression then was the same as it is now...utter disbelief.
and i agree, this whole scenario is rooted in racism, and by not encouraging both parties to have a party together and COMRPROMISE on what music to listen to, what decorations to use, and what clothes to wear, these kids will never learn how to function in a civilized society. life is about compromises. and any school-related/sanctioned dance or party or meal or field trip should be organized so that all the kids are given the opportunity to interact with each other.
and please forgive me, but do you REALLY think that when the kids were interviewed they were completely honest in their responses? i seriously doubt that. i think that they have been separated for so long that they have become accustomed to it. but guess what happens when one of them breaks from the mold and goes to school or finds a job in Chicago or Boston or Albuquerque or Miami or New York....CULTURE SHOCK! and these kids will not be equipped to handle it. it is the responsibility of their parents and their school supervisors to ensure that these kids learn about moderation, learn about compromise, learn about cultures, and interact with other races/creed/interests both in an outside of the classroom.
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