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For one the B&M does change the angle (significantly) and length (slightly) of the shaft below the fulcrum point. (I.E. a short throw & quicker shifter)
I do have a small warning for folks about the Steeda.
Remember we have a cable operated shifter. (no shift stops!) The shorter top throws of the Steeda equals significantly longer movement below the fulcrum point. (hence the need for the tower mods)
This can and possibly will break the cables. It will definitely stretch them. I know personally the B&M can stretch & break cables and it is only just a little longer below the fulcrum then stock.
The Steeda is longer than the B&M!
Shift carefully...
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Originally posted by Kevdogg410:
The steeda is actually a short-throw.. the shifts are shorter... whereas the B&M is just a shorter shaft... if I wanted a smaller shifter I would just cut mine.
Technically, there are no internal transmission changes, so the locking hub has to move the same distance to engage the gear. Therefore the shifter still has to move that hub the same distance. The "short-shift" feel is determined by how far you move your arm to engage that gear.
If you cut the shaft shorter or use a B&M you will shorten the shift movement of your arm but you will have to execise more force than before; a simple change in length of a lever arm.
If you use the steeda shifter which has a shorter shaft on top and a longer shaft on the bottom then you will also shorten the shift movement of the arm and increase the movement on the bottom of the shaft; again a simple change in length of a lever arm.
So how is either one NOT a 'true' short-throw shifter?
The factors that differ will be the travel distance for the top shaft of the shifter and the bottom shaft as well as the amount of force required to shift the gear.
The end result will still be a shorter throw, but the "shift feel" that you as the driver will sense from the shortened throw and the change in force will just differ from product to product and making it a matter of taste..
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I don't see your argument?? If you move the pivot point like with the steeda, where it is shorter on top and longer on the bottom. Then a smaller "throw" from the top with cause a larger movement on the bottom. This is not so with the b&m which is in reality a "chopped" shinny stock shifter. Levers and pulleys man.
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Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
I don't see your argument?? If you move the pivot point like with the steeda, where it is shorter on top and longer on the bottom. Then a smaller "throw" from the top with cause a larger movement on the bottom. This is not so with the b&m which is in reality a "chopped" shinny stock shifter. Levers and pulleys man.
You are exactly right, the steeda should allow more movement on the bottom. Let us not forget that the amount of travel required by the transmission to shift the gear is the same in any case. Can we also agree that without internal modification to the transmission then it MUST always remain the same, regardless of what shifter is installed?
Let me make two points.
1.) I am pointing out that the b&M must have less travel than stock because it has a shortened arm. As you say, simple levers and pulleys man.
2.) The steeda will probably allow an even shorter throw since the bottom will move the same amount as allowed by the transmission, but the top will move less to accomplish this same amount of movement.
So I agree with you that the steeda is a short throw, and I think it is probably a shorter throw than the B&M. What I disagree with is that you keep saying the B&M is NOT a true short throw shifter. IF as you say, 'its simple levers and pulleys man' then you will see that the B&M is also a true short throw shifter because it has a shorter upper lever arm with the same lower lever arm as stock. How can that be disputed? Its simple to see if you draw it out on paper.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by ATL-SVT:
I don't see your argument?? If you move the pivot point like with the steeda, where it is shorter on top and longer on the bottom. Then a smaller "throw" from the top with cause a larger movement on the bottom. This is not so with the b&m which is in reality a "chopped" shinny stock shifter. Levers and pulleys man.
You are exactly right, the steeda should allow more movement on the bottom. Let us not forget that the amount of travel required by the transmission to shift the gear is the same in any case. Can we also agree that without internal modification to the transmission then it MUST always remain the same, regardless of what shifter is installed?
Let me make two points.
1.) I am pointing out that the b&M must have less travel than stock because it has a shortened arm. As you say, simple levers and pulleys man.
2.) The steeda will probably allow an even shorter throw since the bottom will move the same amount as allowed by the transmission, but the top will move less to accomplish this same amount of movement.
So I agree with you that the steeda is a short throw, and I think it is probably a shorter throw than the B&M. What I disagree with is that you keep saying the B&M is NOT a true short throw shifter. IF as you say, 'its simple levers and pulleys man' then you will see that the B&M is also a true short throw shifter because it has a shorter upper lever arm with the same lower lever arm as stock. How can that be disputed? Its simple to see if you draw it out on paper.
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I agree with you, the actual shift box on the tranny ain't gonna move any more regardless of what the stick looks like that's moving it. I don't remember insisting that the b&m wasn't a 'true' short throw, although others in this thread have stated that. I guess my closing opinion is that if I were to invest in a shifter other than stock (which I'll be doing real soon) I would opt for the model that achieved what I could not do by simply cutting down my stock stick. It appears we agree, but have varying opinions which is cool chit IMO. 
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