well again, you are right. you put a 240 pounder in my car and i will feel the difference. the car will be slower and have a nasty tilt to it

now, give me 6 lbs less wheel weight and can i *feel* the difference? i'm interested in actual real world feel not numbers. when you got your lighter rims did your car feel faster, tighter.... for intance, my winter tire setup (195 - 70 - 15 on 15" steelies) is about 5 lbs more per tire than my stock 16's and i can't tell the different except that my excelleration *feels* better with my winter setup (probably because they have 20 cm thinner footprint).