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Originally posted by JaTo:

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...yep. Nothing to worry about there. This link is probably totally false and misleading as well. I bet nothing was held over from these places, either. Saddam most certainly destroyed everything...

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Originally posted by JaTo:

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I'm beginning to think we never should have gone in now. I would much rather have the father and son group running Iraq that awarded the dissenters with this . I mean, Democracy is going to totally ruin the country like it's done the US...

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Originally posted by JaTo:

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I think he was referring to the lack of agency identifcation in terms of the terrorists that trained there. His wording is certainly strange, though in the next sentence he goes on to refer to Al-Qaeda; "Nobody will talk about Al-Qaeda or any other orginzation."...

The world damn-sure knows they exist as the US government has in it's posession a large amount of training and propaganda material that came from Al-Qaeda sites in Afghanistan.

Again, I don't read it as him denying the existance of Al-Qaeda. His English isn't top-shelf British boarding school, as one can tell from numerous places in the interview.

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They didn't tell us they were part of Al Qaeda; there's no such thing.

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Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:

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Originally posted by JaTo:

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I'm certain that since our troops aren't coated with VX by now, this report is probably full of Western lies and deceit, too. Please take note that 200-250 tons of VX hasn't been accounted for...

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Interesting. The article is mysteriously devoid of any US involvement and takes measures to not even mention the name of the United States.

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...and your point is?

Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:

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Iraq started research into the production of chemical weapons agents in the 1970s and started batch production of agents in the early 1980s. At that stage, production was heavily reliant on the import of precursor chemicals from foreign suppliers.

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Hmmm...I wonder who these foreign suppliers are? They should be tracked down and put to death.

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Should I refer to countless other mentionings of mine on US shipments of chemical and biological weapons/supplies in the '80s under the Regan administration? It's shameful, it was a HUGE mistake and it's disgusting. Times, alliances, politics and THREATS have changed since then. Those that don't understand this and adjust to this fact will be left exposed to ALL sorts of grief.

Would you also care to include France, Spain, China, England, Germany, Russia and others on your hit list, or since this is "bash the US" day, are we going to convienently leave them out of this mix?

At least we are taking some measure of RESPONSIBILITY for our past actions. One of the main goals of ours is chemical/biological disarmament or Iraq. The US and England have stepped up to the plate to do this, and I think it's only appropritate that the countries that ARMED the regime with this stuff be the one's to pay the price to take it back and ensure that as little as possible is left over there. If anyone should go under the sword, it's the countries that have sat this one out that supplied Hussein...

Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:

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In 1982, early in the Iran-Iraq War, the Iraqis used riot control agents to repel Iranian attacks. They progressed to the use of CW agents in mid-1983 with mustard, and in March 1984 with tabun (the first use ever of a nerve agent in war). The Iraqis continued to use chemical weapons until the end of hostilities in August 1988; in addition they introduced the nerve agents sarin and GF late in the war.

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Never mind, I see now. It was okay for them to use chemical weapons then, but two decades later they must be brought to justice for NOT using them. I bet the Iraqi people were not suffering back then either.

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For the nth time, we've got blood on our hands. Need I use bold to get this point across? I've never said our Middle-Eastern meddling has been a rousing success (compared to Russia, yes, but that's another topic). Are you suggesting that we never try to wipe the blood off; simply keep things at the status-quo to justify a self-centered notion that we screwed up and we have to live with it regardless of the potential future consequences?

Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:

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Quit pushing justifications at me when our hypocrisy clearly shows they have NEVER been legitimate concerns. Our government really didn't care twenty years ago. Our government really didn't care ten years ago. And our government really didn't care now.

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Need I remind you 20 years ago our concerns were VERY different than they are today? Care to pick up a newspaper and check out who was running things in the Kremlin during that time and that our MAIN concern was the USSR and how it was trying to gain toeholds in the Middle-East, something that we didn't want to happen at any cost?

Or for the sake of emphasizing your point, are we going to brush history and events from the late 1940's onwards and it's IMPACT on decisions made by past administrations under the carpet?

In short, don't push your ignorance or blindness of history at me and hide it under a blanket-statement of hypocracy. We have used a number of countries as a means to an end and it HAS given us black-eyes at times. Some of what we have done has been rather distateful; some has been downright disgusting. Most all of it at the time was considered very necessary. I'm not going to argue about the validity of our actions in arming Iraq with what we did in the '80s as there's no excuse for what we did.

If we don't care, why in the hell are we over there? Why are we handing out food to the civilian population? Why are we going to help rebuild their infrastructure? Why have we been feeding Iraqi prisioners? Why have we been operating on wounded Republican Guard troops? Why are 4 million Iraqi exiles ecstatic that Hussein and his regime have been toppled? If you DARE try and say oil, why didn't we waltz in 12 years ago when we had close to a half-million military personel in the area, which is more than what we started with this time around?

We aren't saints in this, but this administration and the military under it's control is FAR away from being the careless, heartless pricks that you are so eager to paint them out to be...

Originally posted by 18psi2300:

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Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:

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...I am not saying bin Laden and his terrorists do not exist, I just find it very disturbing how the government focuses on 'Al Qaeda.'

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Originally posted by Contouraholic:

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Originally posted by 18psi2300:

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