Geez, sorry Ray.
I think that I got the best deal ever. Bought an 01 Escape XLS V-6 4WD with 31XXX on the odo. Listed it for 15995. Talked them down to 13995, then presented my trade-in. A 97 Honda Civic DX coupe auto 97000, got 3000 for it, told them I wanted 4000 or there was no deal. Oh well I lied, and got the escape for 10995 then put 1000 down, financed 9995 over 66 months for an itty bitty payment and a happy wife. I can't believe the lowball some dealers give, but they are trying to make money too.