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Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
nope, they would call the USA and we wouldn'tthink twice about helping them. some people are just ungreatful.
You people act like Canadians are unable to defend themselves. If they wanted to, they could devote a large portion of their resources to their military much like say Israel. But why do that when you do not have enemies on your borders and have a military giant next to you? They are not asking for America to "defend" them, it just works out that we would if need be.
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Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
It is absurd to think that this man (and yes, others!) are not a threat to our free way of life?!
 Do you realize how long Saddam has been in power "threatening our way of life?" Do you want to know how truly threatening this man is to our way of life? He is so threatening, that we can house troops in a country right next to his and he does not even do anything about it. He is so threatening, that we can take over half his country in a matter of days. He is so threatening that we can infiltrate his closest circle of trusted men and know where he sleeps.
You are an idiot if you think some two-bit country like Iraq where 60% of the people depend on food aid is a "threat to our free way of life" when there are true worldpowers wanting a piece of the American monopoly on the world.
His threats to us come not from a massive military strike against us. The threats come from the fact that he funded the terrorist groups that would, and have in the past, attacked us. Its already been shown that saddam helps fund our other buddy, Osama. You are correct, saddam is not a threat to our way of life because he is going to land on the U.S. with tens of thousands of troops. You, my friend, are an idiot if you think that saddam wasnt doing everything in his power to help those who would do harm to us. Watch what comes out after this war... I will guarantee you that he has chemical or biological weapons; you would have to have your head buried in the sand, if you tell me that he wouldnt give those weapons to the first terrorist group that has a viable way of delivering those weapons on the U.S.
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
The threats come from the fact that he funded the terrorist groups that would, and have in the past, attacked us. Its already been shown that saddam helps fund our other buddy, Osama.
Congratulations, you know more than the CIA.
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
You, my friend, are an idiot if you think that saddam wasnt doing everything in his power to help those who would do harm to us.
Exactly. That way he could trigger a backlash that would give our administration the needed "fire" to upend his regime, destroy his country, and put him out of power. 
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Watch what comes out after this war... I will guarantee you that he has chemical or biological weapons; you would have to have your head buried in the sand, if you tell me that he wouldnt give those weapons to the first terrorist group that has a viable way of delivering those weapons on the U.S.
Well no [censored]. I would hope he has chemical and biological weapons, seeing as how we supplied him with them using American tax money and our Agriculture Department's CCC loans. Hell, we had the Germans supply entire factories capable of mass producing poison gas to him. Our same aid programs that supplied him with food, chemical weapons, and other military items were also knowingly used to help Saddam obtain technology for its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs.
In addition, you are failing understand the MAD principle (Mutually Assured Destruction). Russia does not launch nuclear missiles at us, because they realize that we would in turn launch missiles at them. Iraq does not launch nuclear missiles/weapons of mass destruction at us, or support using such weapons of mass destruction on us, because it would ensure the destruction of Iraq. The only scenario (As I will state and the CIA will agree with me on) is if the Iraq regime faces destruction (ie. this war) then they would use weapons of mass destruction since their destruction is imminent.
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Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by Honkeytonk Monkey:
All those people booing your anthem are blind. They cannot see that we depend entirely on the US. Our financial situation mirrors the US, our exports need the US, our country simply needs the US. They are also blind to the fact that even if this war actually was about oil, the end result will be the downfall of a madman who kills innocent people just because he can.
I find it funny that because a bunch of idiots from Canada boo the American anthem, some of you are angry at all Canadians and trash us. I'm canadian, I didn't boo your anthem. I think our prime minister is a jellyfish that won't do anything that doesn't benefit himself in some way. I think we should be behind the war in full helping the british and american forces like in the past. But what does it matter, I'm Canadian... that's really lame guys. 
We could send all our troops. They likely would be a cleanup crew more than anything, rescuing survivors, finishing off after the main assault. At least they would be there and have a purpose. Unfortunately, the cost of having a military would cut into politician's salaries, and into the budgets, so it is generally being phased out. Eventually we'll have a canoe and a stick for our main military armament.
That said, there are some people from the United States that dislike all Canadians now because some of us don't support the war. Get your head out of your ass. There are a good number of Americans that oppose the war too. Instead of being angry a group of people for the opinions of some. Go yell at your neighbor for letting his dog poop on your lawn, at least that will be productive.
Why can't we all aim this hostility at the people who deserve it? Namely terrorists and insane dictators 
Incidentally I think calling french cut potatoes "freedom fries" instead of french fries is one of the most retarded ideas on earth, almost surpassing Metallica suing any company that uses the word Metal in thier name.
Very Well Said! Any citizen booing or otherwise degrading its own national anthem better think about where he/she lives, but in a democracy he/she has the right. Canadiens booing the American national anthem is just that...a citizen of another country expressing his right to freedom of speech. I serve so my family and others have the right to do that...I serve so I have the f'in right do that when/if the time comes! However, I will not go against my commander in chief as long as I have sworn the oath...not to mention that I agree morally with the war.
Some people must believe in Honor and Duty and carry its standard in this world. Look at Hollywood, they ACT the parts of people that have honor, even though in real life they seem to have none. All the money and none of the sacrifices.
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We are living in very complicated, very confused times, aren't we? If there ever was a time when "Devine Interevention" was called for, it's now.
Very true. And, it's entirely possible that Devine Intervention already is revealing itself.
Keep in mind that, in this world, God has many names and many faces ... And God does not report to George Bush.
I fear that, unless cooler heads soon prevail in Washington,
once we get to Baghdad, God will make certain we get a "360" comprehension that "Shock and Awe" is two-way street.
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:
Originally posted by 7999:
A lot of mothers and fathers are going to loose their sons and daughters in the war. That is the price we pay for freedom.
LOL. I hate to break it to you, but unless you live in Iraq, you are not going to wind up with any more "freedom" from this war. Nor would we lose any if it never happened.
Originally posted by Drumbo:
insidiously portrays those in favor of actions and agendas that place our soldiers in harm's way as SUPPORTIVE of our armed forces ... But those who oppose placing our soldiers in harm's way are somehow UNSUPPORTIVE of them ... ?
Excellent point. However, would you agree that most of the troops support the war?
No, I wouldn't -- at least, not the real soldiers who have been down this road before.
The only soldiers who are gung-ho about war are the green, unbloodied rookies who haven't seen one of their comrade's helmet become a receptacle for what's left of their brain after a high-velocity round has blasted through their skull, or seen someone turned into vapor (or worse, only partially vaporized, leaving them with just a few, terrified seconds in this life to absorb what just happened to them before being slam-dunked into the hereafter) by any one of a number of devices we clever humans have devised to annihilate each other.
Ask any combat veteran how many times they were literally horrified by what they saw. Ask them to explain to you -- in the most graphic way -- why "War Is Hell" is the most accurate description of it. Ask any combat veteran who's been "in the [censored]" how much they'd like to re-live the experience.
But, let's get back to this topic after "US-Lead coalition" forces enter Baghdad. From all indications, Baghdad will make clear to all why we should have listened to -- not dissed -- France and every other country and voice who urged the USA to back-off and allow more time to play the diplomatic hand.
For both sides, Baghdad has the potential to be another killing field.
We'll know very soon.
Drumbo, your views are quite disturbing to me. First of all, war is hell; but it is a hell that is indeed necessary to maintain our freedom. Yes, I did say OUR freedom, as in an American's freedom to go to work in a tall skyscraper, and not worry about an arab blowing it up; or to walk in a public place like Grand Central Station, NYC, and not worry about someone (whose family is getting paid for his homicide/suicide by a dictatorship) wiring explosives to himself and killing dozens of people. You say get back to the topic after we enter baghdad, why is that? Do you think that saddam might unleash bio-weapons like is being reported in the news tonight? Gee, now why would we worry about that, after all the UN inspection teams are doing such a wonderful job at disarming them? It is absurd to think that this man (and yes, others!) are not a threat to our free way of life?!
WE were the ones attacked on 9/11, NOT the pansies in france, germany, etc. Of course they dont want to be involved in this war, it will not benefit then, as they were never attacked sitting at their desks at work, or flying home to see family, or flying for a school trip. I think some people have lost sight of what this is about. People like you love to try to make President Bush seem bad by spewing their "its all about oil/revenge" propaganda. In the first Gulf War, it WAS about oil! But, where were all the 'brave' (lmao!) countries protesting the war, such as france and germany, then??? You know where they were?? Right beside us! Because THEIR oil supply was in danger! I am so sick and tired of the U.S. being blamed for starting this war over greed, while other countries try to make themselves out to be doing something to benefit the good of the world.
Another thing that gets to me about your post is this whole thing about asking the soldiers what they think about the war. Before you jump and say I am heartless and wouldnt talk like this if I knew someone thats been sent over there, I know 3 people who were sent over there. However, when you become a teacher, do you complain when asked to teach children? Or if you are a fireman, do you cower in fear and refuse to enter a burning building to save someone? I would hope you would answer no to these questions. I certainly think this line of reasoning carries on to the brave men and women who are defending our freedom. As far as I can tell, these soldiers were not enlisted agaist their will. If you dont know that there is a risk of being sent to war when you inlist, then that seriously worries me that you might be defending our freedom.
Finally, I do believe that baghdad has the potential to be a killing field, as you put it. However, unlike you, I KNOW that our soldiers, who have the best training, the best weapons, and the best skills, will make this 'killing field' a one way street. And I pray that the soldiers we have sent, and will send over there to do their job, all come back safely, knowing that the sacrifices they have made, have helped keep our way of life safe from terrorists.
Blacksesport,
I admire the earnestness of your reply to me and the fact you cared enough to take the time to make it.
But, meaning no disrespect, it seems you have not done your homework. Until you do, fasten your seatbelt. Our political and economic futures have been simultaneously hijacked and undermined by our Commander-In-Chief's need to pay back all the IOU's that funded his installation into the White House.
It's not about terrorists or terrorism. Osama bin-Laden doesn't have a PO Box in Baghdad. It's about oil ... and pure, tunnel-visioned greed.
Like I said, fasten your seatbelt -- especially where it touches your wallet. At this rate, you and me are going to be underwriting George W's IOU's for a very long time.
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That's too bad that Canadians choose to boo the anthem. It's a bleedin' hockey game. You're there to cheer and scream and shout at the refs and your neighbors. Drink a beer and relax.  I do not think it reflects all of Canada, seeing as how there are only a certain number of people in the arena. Similarly, people who protest do not reflect the majority of Americans. On another note: Freedom fries is completely pointless. Just don't point it out to anyone in the military. I got ragged bigtime for saying something about it.
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Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
It is absurd to think that this man (and yes, others!) are not a threat to our free way of life?!
Do you realize how long Saddam has been in power "threatening our way of life?" Do you want to know how truly threatening this man is to our way of life? He is so threatening, that we can house troops in a country right next to his and he does not even do anything about it. He is so threatening, that we can take over half his country in a matter of days. He is so threatening that we can infiltrate his closest circle of trusted men and know where he sleeps.
You are an idiot if you think some two-bit country like Iraq where 60% of the people depend on food aid is a "threat to our free way of life" when there are true worldpowers wanting a piece of the American monopoly on the world.
And, yet, once upon a time when the economics of the political landscape were different, the city of Detroit, Michigan (AKA "Motor City") gave Saddam (AKA "The Dictator who Sits On Top Of The Second-Largest Oil-Field In The World") the Key to the City.
Of course, back then, Saddam was our tyrant ... That was before he became a free-agent.
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As Don Cherry put it "its just french candians...quebec" the rest of Canada is mostly for the war and we hope for the best. All those proestors, in Canada and the USA or anywhere else can KISS MY ASS!
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