Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:
Originally posted by 7999:
A lot of mothers and fathers are going to loose their sons and daughters in the war. That is the price we pay for freedom.


LOL. I hate to break it to you, but unless you live in Iraq, you are not going to wind up with any more "freedom" from this war. Nor would we lose any if it never happened.

Originally posted by Drumbo:
insidiously portrays those in favor of actions and agendas that place our soldiers in harm's way as SUPPORTIVE of our armed forces ... But those who oppose placing our soldiers in harm's way are somehow UNSUPPORTIVE of them ... ?


Excellent point. However, would you agree that most of the troops support the war?



No, I wouldn't -- at least, not the real soldiers who have been down this road before.

The only soldiers who are gung-ho about war are the green, unbloodied rookies who haven't seen one of their comrade's helmet become a receptacle for what's left of their brain after a high-velocity round has blasted through their skull, or seen someone turned into vapor (or worse, only partially vaporized, leaving them with just a few, terrified seconds in this life to absorb what just happened to them before being slam-dunked into the hereafter) by any one of a number of devices we clever humans have devised to annihilate each other.

Ask any combat veteran how many times they were literally horrified by what they saw. Ask them to explain to you -- in the most graphic way -- why "War Is Hell" is the most accurate description of it. Ask any combat veteran who's been "in the [censored]" how much they'd like to re-live the experience.

But, let's get back to this topic after "US-Lead coalition" forces enter Baghdad. From all indications, Baghdad will make clear to all why we should have listened to -- not dissed -- France and every other country and voice who urged the USA to back-off and allow more time to play the diplomatic hand.

For both sides, Baghdad has the potential to be another killing field.

We'll know very soon.



Drumbo, your views are quite disturbing to me. First of all, war is hell; but it is a hell that is indeed necessary to maintain our freedom. Yes, I did say OUR freedom, as in an American's freedom to go to work in a tall skyscraper, and not worry about an arab blowing it up; or to walk in a public place like Grand Central Station, NYC, and not worry about someone (whose family is getting paid for his homicide/suicide by a dictatorship) wiring explosives to himself and killing dozens of people. You say get back to the topic after we enter baghdad, why is that? Do you think that saddam might unleash bio-weapons like is being reported in the news tonight? Gee, now why would we worry about that, after all the UN inspection teams are doing such a wonderful job at disarming them? It is absurd to think that this man (and yes, others!) are not a threat to our free way of life?!

WE were the ones attacked on 9/11, NOT the pansies in france, germany, etc. Of course they dont want to be involved in this war, it will not benefit then, as they were never attacked sitting at their desks at work, or flying home to see family, or flying for a school trip. I think some people have lost sight of what this is about. People like you love to try to make President Bush seem bad by spewing their "its all about oil/revenge" propaganda. In the first Gulf War, it WAS about oil! But, where were all the 'brave' (lmao!) countries protesting the war, such as france and germany, then??? You know where they were?? Right beside us! Because THEIR oil supply was in danger! I am so sick and tired of the U.S. being blamed for starting this war over greed, while other countries try to make themselves out to be doing something to benefit the good of the world.

Another thing that gets to me about your post is this whole thing about asking the soldiers what they think about the war. Before you jump and say I am heartless and wouldnt talk like this if I knew someone thats been sent over there, I know 3 people who were sent over there. However, when you become a teacher, do you complain when asked to teach children? Or if you are a fireman, do you cower in fear and refuse to enter a burning building to save someone? I would hope you would answer no to these questions. I certainly think this line of reasoning carries on to the brave men and women who are defending our freedom. As far as I can tell, these soldiers were not enlisted agaist their will. If you dont know that there is a risk of being sent to war when you inlist, then that seriously worries me that you might be defending our freedom.

Finally, I do believe that baghdad has the potential to be a killing field, as you put it. However, unlike you, I KNOW that our soldiers, who have the best training, the best weapons, and the best skills, will make this 'killing field' a one way street. And I pray that the soldiers we have sent, and will send over there to do their job, all come back safely, knowing that the sacrifices they have made, have helped keep our way of life safe from terrorists.



Blacksesport,

I admire the earnestness of your reply to me and the fact you cared enough to take the time to make it.

But, meaning no disrespect, it seems you have not done your homework. Until you do, fasten your seatbelt. Our political and economic futures have been simultaneously hijacked and undermined by our Commander-In-Chief's need to pay back all the IOU's that funded his installation into the White House.

It's not about terrorists or terrorism. Osama bin-Laden doesn't have a PO Box in Baghdad. It's about oil ... and pure, tunnel-visioned greed.

Like I said, fasten your seatbelt -- especially where it touches your wallet. At this rate, you and me are going to be underwriting George W's IOU's for a very long time.