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Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:
Originally posted by 7999:
A lot of mothers and fathers are going to loose their sons and daughters in the war. That is the price we pay for freedom.
LOL. I hate to break it to you, but unless you live in Iraq, you are not going to wind up with any more "freedom" from this war. Nor would we lose any if it never happened.
Originally posted by Drumbo:
insidiously portrays those in favor of actions and agendas that place our soldiers in harm's way as SUPPORTIVE of our armed forces ... But those who oppose placing our soldiers in harm's way are somehow UNSUPPORTIVE of them ... ?
Excellent point. However, would you agree that most of the troops support the war?
No, I wouldn't -- at least, not the real soldiers who have been down this road before.
The only soldiers who are gung-ho about war are the green, unbloodied rookies who haven't seen one of their comrade's helmet become a receptacle for what's left of their brain after a high-velocity round has blasted through their skull, or seen someone turned into vapor (or worse, only partially vaporized, leaving them with just a few, terrified seconds in this life to absorb what just happened to them before being slam-dunked into the hereafter) by any one of a number of devices we clever humans have devised to annihilate each other.
Ask any combat veteran how many times they were literally horrified by what they saw. Ask them to explain to you -- in the most graphic way -- why "War Is Hell" is the most accurate description of it. Ask any combat veteran who's been "in the [censored]" how much they'd like to re-live the experience.
But, let's get back to this topic after "US-Lead coalition" forces enter Baghdad. From all indications, Baghdad will make clear to all why we should have listened to -- not dissed -- France and every other country and voice who urged the USA to back-off and allow more time to play the diplomatic hand.
For both sides, Baghdad has the potential to be another killing field.
We'll know very soon.
Drumbo, your views are quite disturbing to me. First of all, war is hell; but it is a hell that is indeed necessary to maintain our freedom. Yes, I did say OUR freedom, as in an American's freedom to go to work in a tall skyscraper, and not worry about an arab blowing it up; or to walk in a public place like Grand Central Station, NYC, and not worry about someone (whose family is getting paid for his homicide/suicide by a dictatorship) wiring explosives to himself and killing dozens of people. You say get back to the topic after we enter baghdad, why is that? Do you think that saddam might unleash bio-weapons like is being reported in the news tonight? Gee, now why would we worry about that, after all the UN inspection teams are doing such a wonderful job at disarming them? It is absurd to think that this man (and yes, others!) are not a threat to our free way of life?!
WE were the ones attacked on 9/11, NOT the pansies in france, germany, etc. Of course they dont want to be involved in this war, it will not benefit then, as they were never attacked sitting at their desks at work, or flying home to see family, or flying for a school trip. I think some people have lost sight of what this is about. People like you love to try to make President Bush seem bad by spewing their "its all about oil/revenge" propaganda. In the first Gulf War, it WAS about oil! But, where were all the 'brave' (lmao!) countries protesting the war, such as france and germany, then??? You know where they were?? Right beside us! Because THEIR oil supply was in danger! I am so sick and tired of the U.S. being blamed for starting this war over greed, while other countries try to make themselves out to be doing something to benefit the good of the world.
Another thing that gets to me about your post is this whole thing about asking the soldiers what they think about the war. Before you jump and say I am heartless and wouldnt talk like this if I knew someone thats been sent over there, I know 3 people who were sent over there. However, when you become a teacher, do you complain when asked to teach children? Or if you are a fireman, do you cower in fear and refuse to enter a burning building to save someone? I would hope you would answer no to these questions. I certainly think this line of reasoning carries on to the brave men and women who are defending our freedom. As far as I can tell, these soldiers were not enlisted agaist their will. If you dont know that there is a risk of being sent to war when you inlist, then that seriously worries me that you might be defending our freedom.
Finally, I do believe that baghdad has the potential to be a killing field, as you put it. However, unlike you, I KNOW that our soldiers, who have the best training, the best weapons, and the best skills, will make this 'killing field' a one way street. And I pray that the soldiers we have sent, and will send over there to do their job, all come back safely, knowing that the sacrifices they have made, have helped keep our way of life safe from terrorists.
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Originally posted by Ausgedient the Ninja:
Originally posted by mangler:
what about discussing if the Canadian Anthem should even be played at a main sporting event on American soil...
I think the sport of hockey, so intertwined around both countries, obviously should play both anywhere, anytime.
I disagree. Sports are global now, with Athletes from all over the world. Why do we play ANY National Anthems before sporting events when not all of the athletes involved are represented?
The way I see it, unless you're playing a sport that internationally represents your country (ie. in the Olympics) then there is no need for the anthem before the game. If you must have an anthem, though, how 'bout only the country's anthem that the home team's city represents?
I remember as a kid (not THAT long ago) that the National Anthems were actually televised. Now, it's just another spot for a TV timeout before the game starts.
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Originally posted by gdub520:
feeling sensitive huh  ...gretz said something that was considered controversial at the time...im sorry i dont remember the specific comment, maybe about the olympics or something???...im not saying it was serious enough to damage relationships, but it was surprising coming from him...
i tried to follow the l.a. kings back when they upset edmonton in the 1st round playoff series in 81 or 82... he helped lead the kings to their only finals appearance...i know about him his wife and all that good stuff...
Gretzky statue in Edmonton defaced
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EDMONTON (CP) - A sign reading U$ Lackey was hung Tuesday on a statue of Wayne Gretzky in protest of the hockey star's recent comments supporting U.S. President George W. Bush in the war against Iraq.
Employees of Skyreach Centre quickly removed the cardboard insult from the statue at the entrance to the arena, the home of Gretzky's former team, the Edmonton Oilers.
Earlier this week, Gretzky praised Bush as a great leader, saying he backed him 100 per cent. However, he also shied away from criticizing Canada's decision to stay out of the conflict.
"The reality is, you know, the people we should be concerned about are the people fighting in Iraq, the people who are there on the missions," Gretzky said Tuesday.
"We shouldn't be worried about what entertainers or athletes or Wayne Gretzky or Don Cherry says. It's immaterial."
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I dont think Canada has the right to do anything when it comes to the United States. The only reason they exist like they do is because the United States. I guess it is easy to do whatever you want when you have the most powerful country in the world on your border. I wonder who they would call if some other country was attacking them? France?
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Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
they are part french, what do you expect? 
hahhahaa much agreed ...and we do protect there a$$
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Originally posted by delmar:
I disagree. Sports are global now, with Athletes from all over the world. Why do we play ANY National Anthems before sporting events when not all of the athletes involved are represented?
Major League Baseball of America.
National Basketball Association of America.
National Football League of America.
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
It is absurd to think that this man (and yes, others!) are not a threat to our free way of life?!
 Do you realize how long Saddam has been in power "threatening our way of life?" Do you want to know how truly threatening this man is to our way of life? He is so threatening, that we can house troops in a country right next to his and he does not even do anything about it. He is so threatening, that we can take over half his country in a matter of days. He is so threatening that we can infiltrate his closest circle of trusted men and know where he sleeps.
You are an idiot if you think some two-bit country like Iraq where 60% of the people depend on food aid is a "threat to our free way of life" when there are true worldpowers wanting a piece of the American monopoly on the world.
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Originally posted by Alphatour:
Its freedom of speech, If i didnt have family in the US i would move in a second, Im embarrassed to be an american at this point in time because i dont like what the us is doing and making the rest of the people look bad. Like boycotting french stuff, i mean come on, just because they dont agree with us on something we should shut them off  ..
Dont get me wrong i hope our troops come back soon and alive. I understand both sides fo this war.
Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by neelnug:
I dont think Canada has the right to do anything when it comes to the United States. The only reason they exist like they do is because the United States. I guess it is easy to do whatever you want when you have the most powerful country in the world on your border. I wonder who they would call if some other country was attacking them? France?
nope, they would call the USA and we wouldn'tthink twice about helping them. some people are just ungreatful.
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I like Canada! I like most Canadians! I really like Molson Brador!  Mark
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