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Originally posted by 95Mike:
I'm kinda disappointed in how many people are turning their back on the president. The ones that do it because of the political ideology make me sick. After Clinton announced that he was bangin' Monica and lied under oath, Al Gore put his arm around Clinton's shoulder and said "the best president we've ever had." Is this guy joking? Thanks to him all of the elementary school kids know what oral sex is.
I also don't like how people credit Clinton and Bush for the changes in the economy. The internet and technology helped our economy blossom, and 9/11 helped the economy crash.
Is Bush the best president we could hope for? Not really. I for one am not going to show the rest of the world that our States are not united though. Especially at a time like this.
Edit: This is my opinion.
BS. The reason kids know about Clinton's oral sexcapade is because republicans wanted to impeach him for it. Not like every President before him and that dude out in Cali (can't remember his name) hasn't done something questionable/wrong in their personal lives. Monica had nothing to do with how the country was being run until the media and republicans wanted to drag it through the mud even up to today.
IMO Bush is the dumbest of the two dummies we had to choose from in 2000.
And opinions are like a$$holes...Except for mine. 
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Originally posted by MarkO:
Thanks to President Bush, elementary kids now know that the candidate with the most votes doesn't necessarily get to be President.
I was taght that way back in like the third grade. Long before Dubya.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
1) If spineless Gore was president, France would have probably attacked us! But only you Dems give a damn about how the election went down....rest of the world probably never knew or cared about the whining that went on. I cannot see how after being Clintons lacky (he who nailed his intern under the oval office desk then lied bold face about it..creating one of the biggest blackmail opportunies since, well Nixon) Gore would have any credibility.
You obviously didn't pay attention to what the rest of the world was saying during the election. They were praying Bush would lose. And Gore had way more credibility (in my book and majority of voters) and experience than Bush.
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2) Now this is silly. Removed??? What progress in removing Sadam had been made in the past 12 years??? Isolated?? Let me ask you..who was being hurt by sanctions/isolation...Sadam??? In his 12+ palaces (even the BUNKERS have pools), his mistress (rape victim) of the night, murderer of any disenting voice. No, wrong, fat chance. He was still able to cut enough deals with the French, etc to keep himself fat and happy. Now his people...the sanctions were hurting them plenty...for 12 years. This was the WINNING policy to date.
First of all who put those sanctions in place? Right. If they were really supposed to work something else would've been done. Who's to say that the renewed and increased pressure on Saddam wouldn't have worked. You? Even if they didn't then the world would have seen that we really exhausted the options rather than giving up and were justified in blowing his a$$ up. And yes I believe we gave up on diplomacy. It's not like Saddam was preparing to attack the US. Of course that's what they'd have you sheep believe though.
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
3) Well, he HAS VX gas and anthrax. No question. He is not allowed to (unlike several other countries) because the UN says so (though all they do is talk). He took big personal risk to keep it for some reason. He does hate us. He has used it before on civilians. Would he use it on us??? Do you feel lucky?? "I wount burn the oil wells"...several are NOW burning. "I do not have chemical weapons"....yesterday said he would use them if we invade. "I do not have Scuds"....well, except for the ones he JUST lobed into kuwait. "I'm not a murderer (since I gassed my people anyway)"....well OK they just DID find RECENT film footage of what was going on to CHILDREN in Kurdish "political prisons". What is scary is that some Democrats speak more highly of Sadam and defend him more than there own president.
So f*cking what he has gas. Everyone does. And he knows just like everyone else that we'd destroy him in the blink of an eye if he tried to use it on us. Honestly I don't give a sh!t if he used it on his own people it's not like it's happening now or even recently. We got people over here starving, getting sub par education, bad health care, and worrying about a SS check when we get old even though we're paying for it. Our economy is f*cked and the job market is f*cked. And I'm supposed to give a sh!t about Iraq. When he was gassing the kurds back then we didn't do sh!t, we didn't give a sh!t back then but now all of sudden we have to liberate the Iraqi people. And now some umpteen years later you people are acting like he just did it yesterday. Get the f*ck outta here with that bullsh!t. This war is as much about him gassing his own folks or even having wmds as much as it's about me having gas.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
You know, I could go on but lets just see what we DO find in Iraq.......we will have our answer soon enough.
Even when and if they do find banned wmds so what. That still won't justify that war was necessary or that the US was in any emminent danger and we had to pre-emptively attack a nation that was already in the sh!tter anyway. If anything it just proves to everyone else that we can kick your a$$ if we want.
And all this bs talk about supporting our President. Good for you. I'll support the troops over there (god bless), but I don't support Bush's decision to go to war for bs reasons he's giving us.
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Originally posted by BP:
First of all who put those sanctions in place? Right. If they were really supposed to work something else would've been done.
The UN put the sanctions in place. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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Originally posted by BP:
We got people over here starving, getting sub par education, bad health care, and worrying about a SS check when we get old even though we're paying for it. Our economy is f*cked and the job market is f*cked. And I'm supposed to give a sh!t about Iraq. When he was gassing the kurds back then we didn't do sh!t, we didn't give a sh!t back then but now all of sudden we have to liberate the Iraqi people. And now some umpteen years later you people are acting like he just did it yesterday. Get the f*ck outta here with that bullsh!t. This war is as much about him gassing his own folks or even having wmds as much as it's about me having gas.
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That's just the problem with some folks, they want the president to solve their problems. Well, if you check the constitution, you'll find that NONE of those issues you mentioned are the job of the president.
THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED LOCALLY, BY CITIES OR STATES
I feel better now.
The president's number one job is national security, and that is the problem he is working on.
So get in touch with your local folks and ask them what they are doing about jobs, education, and encouraging citizens to save for their own retirements.
It is not the job of the federal government to hand out checks to the people.
It IS the job of the federal government to provide a national defense, implement foreign policy, and provide defense of the constitution.
Everything else, the federal government should get out of today.
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Originally posted by BOFH:
That's just the problem with some folks, they want the president to solve their problems. Well, if you check the constitution, you'll find that NONE of those issues you mentioned are the job of the president.
THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED LOCALLY, BY CITIES OR STATES
I feel better now.
The president's number one job is national security, and that is the problem he is working on.
So get in touch with your local folks and ask them what they are doing about jobs, education, and encouraging citizens to save for their own retirements.
It is not the job of the federal government to hand out checks to the people.
It IS the job of the federal government to provide a national defense, implement foreign policy, and provide defense of the constitution.
Everything else, the federal government should get out of today.
TB
I disagree. When you have a national issue such as the economy, health care, SS, I believe it's the President's job as CEO of this nation to be involved in making things better.
And the constitution is not a be all end all document. It is meant as a guide to be interpreted. Some people's interpretations are different than others.
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We do disagree. I believe these problems are best solved by
A) People taking responsiblity for their own situation
B) People solving problems as close to locally as possible.
Healthcare, education, and retirement are not rights, but good things to have.
So good in fact, that you probably shouldn't have the federal government there screwing it up, LOL.
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Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by BOFH:
That's just the problem with some folks, they want the president to solve their problems. Well, if you check the constitution, you'll find that NONE of those issues you mentioned are the job of the president.
THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED LOCALLY, BY CITIES OR STATES
I feel better now.
The president's number one job is national security, and that is the problem he is working on.
So get in touch with your local folks and ask them what they are doing about jobs, education, and encouraging citizens to save for their own retirements.
It is not the job of the federal government to hand out checks to the people.
It IS the job of the federal government to provide a national defense, implement foreign policy, and provide defense of the constitution.
Everything else, the federal government should get out of today.
TB
I disagree. When you have a national issue such as the economy, health care, SS, I believe it's the President's job as CEO of this nation to be involved in making things better.
And the constitution is not a be all end all document. It is meant as a guide to be interpreted. Some people's interpretations are different than others.
I agree with BP. The education and health of the Nation are not, I believe, best served by private enterprise. Private enterprise has to answer to shareholders who seem to have a louder voice than sick old men and little kids in 2nd grade.
There is a place for business in healthcare but the Govt. should retain oversight.
Bless our servicemen & women overseas.
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Who said anything about private industry.
Why not expect excellence out of your local government?
Why not expect citizens to purchase health insurance instead of buying or leasing a car every two or three years?
I've told the story many times about the customers of the East St. Louis Pharmacy my wife worked for several years ago. Seems many of the public aid patients had really nice cars, but no "income" when it came to qualify for public aid.
I've posted here the FACTS about more money being spent on East St. Louis schools than other schools, yet we hear the bleating about how minority students are short-changed in the education arena. The facts presented demonstrate that they have better stats when it comes to money/student spent as well as student/teacher ratios, yet their test scores and graduation rates don't reflect this.
This tells me it is not a money issue, but a problem in the community. No amount of money will fix these sorts of problems.
So the folks in East St. Louis have to decide that THEY are going to be serious about the education of their children. Until that happens, it doesn't matter how many federal programs are created.
Thus, I still contend, these problems are best solved locally.
Ditto for economic concerns. Central planning was a disaster in the former Soviet Union, why do we now think the federal government can or should try to fix our economy?
TB
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Originally posted by BOFH:
..... Healthcare, education, and retirement are not rights ......
They should be ! Do you really thinks it's fair that someone work their entire life, paying taxes and have no fallback if they get sick and for when they retire ? If healthcare was reasonably priced, I might not have so much concern but healthcare is IMO not reasonably priced.
Monies spent on healthcare and education are an investment in the Nation and the people. Whatever is spent would, I feel, be recouped many times over down the road. A healthy, well educated Nation attracts business investment and helps productivity.
The reason I feel Federal oversight is needed is due to the wide range of standards of education from state to state.
Bless our servicemen & women overseas.
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