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Originally posted by kustom kontour:
you cant get the oil from us canadiens......
we only have 8 miles of paved road up here and it snows year round....not to mention the killer beavers that roam our streets at night ..... 
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I think the US should invade Canada and aquire the western provinces to become the 51st state. Then they can build Candu reactors all over SAskatchewan, creating an enrgy supply for the US. All the Nuclear waste can then be burried under the Canadian shield (soon to be renamed the american shield) and all will live happily ever after. 
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Just an interesting idea come up today talking at work.
We were trying to figure out why Turkey didn't let more US
troops in.
Imagine the war starts in Iraq.
The 3rd day in the middle of the chaos Turkey from the NW
and Iran from the SE mobilize and take a big greedy bite
out of Iraqi territory. Just for "securing their borders
and preventing mass flow of refugees" of course.
The Iraqi army is more or less nonexistent by that date, so
it can be done without much preparation.
Turkey wants to discipline the Kurds and could use some
territory rich in oil just like Iran (without the Kurds).
They will be certainly grateful for their way paved by the US.
I wonder what the US would do in such a situation.
Remember, all the big players in the UN (and NATO btw)
are pretty much pissed off by the US. Turkey is a NATO
member, and Iran is a far bigger piece than Iraq.
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Originally posted by 1314:
what the hell. i jumped online earlier and saw 7 war related threads. i thoroughly enjoy reading them all, even though i don't participate. but it'd be a lot easier for me if it was all in one thread, soooooo post away...................
   
dude where do you get those awsome emoticons????
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Unless this link is wrong, and given its source it most likely isn't (US Department of Energy, as it's their job to track energy usage), this is imported volume into the US. Given that this "Top 10" list constitutes as 80% of all oil imports per year to the US, Saudi Arabia and Iraq are the only two on the list from the Middle-East AND combined they only constitute HALF of the supply from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela, the numbers put up mean nothing to the conversation at hand, as importation was the focus of this round of posts. Right? Do we import more oil from South America than the Middle-East by volume? No. Do we get more oil from North, Central and South America than the Middle-East? ABSOLUTELY. I've no clue to what the inital numbers were meant to represent, because there's no indication if they are strategic known reserves, total production for x period of time, projected future reserves, etc. Why does this not surprise me... Yep, I always find it educational to bring in information that has really NOTHING to do with the topic at hand...
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Originally posted by t-red2000se:
Originally posted by kustom kontour:
you cant get the oil from us canadiens......
we only have 8 miles of paved road up here and it snows year round....not to mention the killer beavers that roam our streets at night .....
EH!
LMAO i was getting ready to say the same thing!
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Originally posted by JaTo:
I've no clue to what the inital numbers were meant to represent,
You have no clues about ANYTHING. (and that's ur biggest problem). Duck.
No comments. Just data, the way you like (and it is from DOE, if u need the same from another source will find for you)
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How dependent we are
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Regional Importers and Exporters
As one might expect, the worldâ??s three largest consuming regions -- North America, Europe, and Asia-Pacific -- are all importers. All the other regions are exporters.
The Middle East still exports vastly more oil than any other region, despite the strong growth in production in other areas in recent years. This global dependence on Middle East oil makes the geo-political importance of the Middle East readily understandable.
Quote from Gov DOE agency
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Crude versus Products
Crude oil dominates the world oil trade. The risk-weighted economics clearly favor siting refineries close to consumers rather than close to the wellhead. This siting policy takes maximum advantage of the economies of scale of large ships, especially as local quality specifications are increasingly fragmenting the product market (see Demand). It maximizes the refinerâ??s ability to tailor the product output to the marketâ??s short-term surges such as those caused by weather, equipment outages, etc. In addition, this policy also guards against the very real risk that governments will impose selective import restrictions to protect their domestic refining sector.
In brief words:
Canada = Final product
Middle East = Crude Oil
Refinaries are located close by (Canada) and crude comes from Middle East. but since we are "actually" importing from Canada it seems they are the crude oil producer.
World Oil Reserves by Region
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Global Oil Supply by Region
The Mideast remains the largest oil-producing region, as shown in the accompanying graphs. Mideast dominance in oil reserves -- the estimated amount of oil that can be produced from known reservoirs -- is even more pronounced: the region holds about two-thirds of the one trillion barrels of global proved oil reserves (graph), so the region's critical role in world oil supply will continue and will grow. (The United States, by contrast, holds only 4 percent of global proved reserves.)
The above quote from 4th topic
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I actually have better tables (excel tables with real numbers, not bar graphs) but they are in my computer. I cannot find them online. To be honest, I don't fully believe DOE tables. They are biased. The situation is actually worse than they present.
Do yourself a favor Jato, keep your comments to topics you really know about it. Don't try guessing. you lose ur credibility.
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I don't think anyone will dispute the fact that the Middle East produces a lot of oil or even a large percentage of the worlds oil supply just that the US doesn't get the majority of its oil from there.
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The initial remark was about US importing oil from S. America, not the rest of the f'n world, to which you in turn threw up a series of numbers that had NO explaination behind them. Did you or did you not do this? Just answer the simple question I've just posed.
You come off like a sportscaster given the nightly sports scores: 12 to 18, 38 to 13, 108 to 82...
...guess what? This tells one NOTHING, which is about the only thing you've been constantly been able to accomplish in the entire trainwreck of information you've tried to provide.
So, now in this latest barrage of trash from you, you state that the initial numbers you presented come from the DOE, then not a half-page down in the SAME thread you state that you don't TRUST or BELIEVE the DOE numbers. Which is it? What's your point in referencing something to strengthen your argument when you BLATANTLY state that you don't trust the source or the validity of the data that they provide?
Also, you are forgetting the US refineries that dot the gulf coast and are in the interior. Being capital intensive enterprises that they are and the number of US refinereies that have been shut down through the years, yes we do depend on foreign entities to do a significant fraction of refining. Canada does do a large amount of refining, but they ALSO do a tremendous amount of crude oil production, which you've totally tried to glass over.
This bait and switch routine is getting rather old...
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Originally posted by SVTNupe:
I don't think anyone will dispute the fact that the Middle East produces a lot of oil or even a large percentage of the worlds oil supply just that the US doesn't get the majority of its oil from there.
Did you read the whole thing ??
We may try to currently get all the oil from regions other than middle east, but eventually that's where we will end up (having things the way they are today). Over there are the biggest reserves. Most of the crude oil (CRUDE OIL) comes from there. Like said before, the refinaries may be in Mexico and Canada but great part of CRUDE CRUDE CRUDE oil comes from that region. It is very easy to read tables showing FINAL PROCESSED products coming from CANADA. That's very eaysy to find and it is true. But is is the whole true ??? It is a deceiving true, and some CEGRs master this technique. 
Compare Canada's crude oil outputs to their processing output. You'll find out there is something wrong with it: how can they process more than what the get from oilwells ??? that's because it is imported from other regions.
One of the places that is really getting GREAT amounts of crude oil besides middle east is venezuela. It is (was.. I dunno how chavez is doing there) pumping oil like crazy. But there is no great reserves. They gonna run out of crude oil in few decades.
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