Originally posted by Rabbit:


Look at the great American diplomacy in Turkey .... they tried to buy the country for the use of bases. "Economic Aid" which is to be withdrawn if they do not co-operate.




I guess they had better get with the program and fast, then.

Originally posted by Rabbit:
September 11th killed two of my friends, and my brother too. I DO NOT want this damned Iraq war. This has nothing to do with 9/11. If you really believe it does then you are just plain ignorant...and a STUPID CRETIN to boot.



No. It's about finally doing the right thing this time around, removing a potential arms-broker/financier/banker/safe house provider to terrorists that share the same hatred towards the West, and hopefully thereby preventing another 9/11-like event, or at least reducing the likelihood and scale of one sometime soon.

Originally posted by Rabbit:

Damn it look at the FACTS, not the crap on the TV.

As for WWII .... the French, tell me about the French actions in Maginot, and their pre-war defences....I bet you can't.
Base your accusations on what !!!!





What pre-war defences? Churchill just about had a coniption due to the total lack of proper and thought-out defences that protected France from the German Blitzkreig.

Originally posted by Rabbit:

As for spineless .... how many years did the US cower in neutrality ????




There's a difference between the concept of isolationism and neutrality. Recovering from an economic crisis the scale and scope of the Great Depression had a LOT to do with our withdrawal from the global arena, though there were other circumstances as well. I suggest picking those history books back up and read 'em again...

Originally posted by Rabbit:

Yes, you did debate it for many years.....cowardice maybe ??

That's the old US cowardice for you, they didn't join the war until they knew who was winning. Lucky it was the allies.
If you were to actually read about the US history during and prior to WWII you would find out that they were considering joining Hitler.

Oh wait, you won't find that in books printed in the US !! That's too much of a "no, no" to print. Check out the European history.





What ORIFACE are you PULLING this CRAP out of!? There were US businesses that did have ties to german industry and a number of corporations did supply and sell goods to Nazi Germany right up to and into the war. Political support from the US government and the US population in large? Um, Hell NO doesn't even begin to adress this stupidity.

Show me sources and authors behind this idea so I can read up on this one (Mad Magazine and anything by Dr. Seuss doesn't count). I've read a number of translated texts on WWII from French, Spanish and Russian writers, too (usually works that related to specific battles, concepts, etc., but a few general "broad brush" overviews of the war) so I'm calling total bullsh!t on this one until I see otherwise. IBM selling a couple of typewriters and counting machines to the Nazi's doesn't qualify as support, nor does Charles Lindburg's fascination with Hitler's air force and his manufacturing vision, either. Give me something solid. I'm not a history professor on the war by any means, but I've read VOLUMES of material over WWII and this one stinks BAD.

Oh, the US entered the war against Germany on December 11, 1941, as they declared war against us first on that morning. At this time, there was NO clear indication of who would be victorious, though given Germany's swift and brutal campaigns against all that stood against her, one could have made a case that Germany looked like the horse to bet on. You're totally full of sh!t on this one, pal.



Originally posted by Rabbit:

It is NOT all about the oil. There's revenge too.
Little Bush wants revenge for happened to his daddy too.
Then don't forget that not only will the US control Iraq's oil, but US contractors will be getting all the jobs there.
This is not about justice, or disarming...that is a scapegoat.
If it were about disarming and justice, then I would be for it. It is not however, the right of the US to invade a country for oil and to forcefully change that countrys rule.



US oil companies would benefit from a partnership with a new democratic Iraq; there's no denying it. However, if you actually think oil interests and revenge are the main reasons for this country to spend billions on a short limited-campaign war, which will actually do MORE harm to our current economic situation, you're mental.

We've got a number of allies that have mulled military action and the reasons behind it; many have come to a point of agreement that if certain provisions aren't met by Iraq, they will be getting a swift pummeling. So, you're telling me they are in this for revenge and oil as well? I mean, since it's ALL about oil and revenge. I'm sure that's going to change the tax structure that a number of our European allies have in place on oil and oil products...

You, sir, are an . Please don't try to rewrite history just because you don't like the facts at hand...

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