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I don't think a country is obligated to pay for past assistance for all eternity. I disagree with France's position right now, but I don't expect them to support us 100% simply because we saved their a$$es in WWII.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
I don't think a country is obligated to pay for past assistance for all eternity. I disagree with France's position right now, but I don't expect them to support us 100% simply because we saved their a$$es in WWII.
I concur. However, I also know that France has played politics against the US for a long damn time. They've got their own interests, they've got their own nukes, they've got their own arms dealers who're generally competing directly against US companies for business. France allied itself with the US only because they wouldn't be able to beat back the Soviet machine without our help if the Cold War turned hot.
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Why would anyone ever listen to the UN if we don't ever enforce it's resolutions? 12 years ago, Iraq was told to disarm. It played games to the point of kicking all UN inspectors out. Last fall ALL UN nations agreed that Iraq must be disarmed, now we come along to push what everyone agreed on and we become the bad guys. Russia is pissed cause Iraq is their number one arms buyer, France signed a huge oil deal with Iraq just recently, and would hate to see us occupy Iraq (read - take over their oil fields).
Do you really think these countries are against us invading Iraq? They have vested interests that they want to protect, they don't give a $h!t about Saddam or the Iraqy people.
Screw you Canada, you everlasting, spineless, neutral country.
How did that feel? You see what generalizations and stereotypes feel like? "You Americans have hate to burn"
I think the UN has become useless, seeing as 12 years later noone can agree on doing a deed that was agreed on 12 years, and 6 months ago.
Sept. 11 didn't take place in Montreal, my friend. This act of terror changed our (and many others) view of national defense from "wait for a threat and react" to "seek out and eliminate threats". Don't you see that? We have been at war since the fall of 2001, just cause our troops in Afghan. aren't on the news every night anymore doesn't mean their job is any less dangerous.
Is Oil involved to some extent here, yes. Does the UN have a backbone, No.
The French are a bunch of ungrateful pukes. When hitler was taking over France we should have debated it for 12 years and let the Frogs see how it feels.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
I don't think a country is obligated to pay for past assistance for all eternity. I disagree with France's position right now, but I don't expect them to support us 100% simply because we saved their a$$es in WWII.
I disagree since it was what 50 years ago? They should be licking boots till the cows come home. How would they like to speak German? I know how they hate speaking enything but French.
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I don't think they should support us just because we saved them in WWII, but if someone invaded their country who do you think they would cry to first  ?? Just like everyone else in this world!! They bad mouth the US then as soon as their A$$es are in a sling they cry to the us to save them!! Great Britian is the only country who is true "friends" to the US and look we revolted against them for our freedom. As for the person who said Americans have hate to spare, that is like saying all Canadians have yellow streaks down their backs. Generalizing about any people is just ignorant, and shows that when you have nothing intelligent to say you revert to snide remarks. I am not a person who hates easily, and I am not yearning for war, I just believe that 1) Saddam Hussien is a mad man that has proven that he can not be trusted with the weapons that he has, this "man" used biological weapons against his own people  , 2) and most importantly, that if our young people are going to be put in harms way then we need to stand behind them 150%!! We (The US) is not asking anything of Hussein, that was not DEMANDED of him by the world after Desert storm, he has time and again played games saying he was diarming and then he would only move the weapons around. How many counties in Europe would sing a different tune if they were bombed with one of the illegal biological or chemical weapons that Hussein is hiding?? 
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The UN is going to become useless, jsut the same way that the League of Nations did....remember them ??? I guess not.
The UN will become irrelevant because of the US. THey are using bully tactics.
Look at the great American diplomacy in Turkey .... they tried to buy the country for the use of bases. "Economic Aid" which is to be withdrawn if they do not co-operate.
September 11th killed two of my friends, and my brother too. I DO NOT want this damned Iraq war. This has nothing to do with 9/11. If you really believe it does then you are just plain ignorant...and a STUPID CRETIN to boot.
Damn it look at the FACTS, not the crap on the TV.
As for WWII .... the French, tell me about the French actions in Maginot, and their pre-war defences....I bet you can't.
Base your accusations on what !!!!
As for spineless .... how many years did the US cower in neutrality ????
How long before they really joined the year ???
Did you read about the French solider who was rescued from a POW camp in WWII ???
The US soldier asked him how long he was in there, the frenchman said 5 years. The US soldier said "No way, the wars only been on for 3 !"
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The French are a bunch of ungrateful pukes. When hitler was taking over France we should have debated it for 12 years and let the Frogs see how it feels.
Yes, you did debate it for many years.....cowardice maybe ??
That's the old US cowardice for you, they didn't join the war until they knew who was winning. Lucky it was the allies.
If you were to actually read about the US history during and prior to WWII you would find out that they were considering joining Hitler.
Oh wait, you won't find that in books printed in the US !! That's too much of a "no, no" to print. Check out the European history.
It is NOT all about the oil. There's revenge too.
Little Bush wants revenge for happened to his daddy too.
Then don't forget that not only will the US control Iraq's oil, but US contractors will be getting all the jobs there.
This is not about justice, or disarming...that is a scapegoat.
If it were about disarming and justice, then I would be for it. It is not however, the right of the US to invade a country for oil and to forcefully change that countrys rule.
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Originally posted by Rabbit:
If you were to actually read about the US history during and prior to WWII you would find out that they were considering joining Hitler.
Oh wait, you won't find that in books printed in the US !! That's too much of a "no, no" to print. Check out the European history.
If you want to find a basis for this then by all means post. Until then...give me a fu[king break. 
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it is scary as to how people forget so quickly what saddam has done. well to help you remember...  this is a couple of the kurds that saddam used chemical agents on in 1991. the mother and child running to escape the gas fell and died still clutching one another. yeah maybe your correct war isnt right. maybe saddam has changed his ways  people cant remember what happened 10 years ago how can we expect anyone to remember what happened 50 years ago? they should remember so that the picture isnt of a mother and child in france. 
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This has nothing to do with 9/11. If you really believe it does then you are just plain ignorant...and a STUPID CRETIN to boot.
Sept. 11 changed our view of national security, period. Every military action we have entered since then is in someway related to sept. 11, as it forced our policies and actions to change. Name calling isn't needed.
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That's the old US cowardice for you, they didn't join the war until they knew who was winning. Lucky it was the allies.
We declared war after the Japanese bombed pearl harbor. 
I say if you are so anti american, move. I hate all the people that live in this country under the protection and freedoms that so many have fought and died for, and run their mouth about how bad we are. Leave then.
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Yes, you did debate it for many years.....cowardice maybe ??
That's the old US cowardice for you, they didn't join the war until they knew who was winning. Lucky it was the allies.
No, we just used the policy that so many nations used, if it's not on our doorstep, ignore it. That is, until a couple people decided to fly planes into the WTC and pentagon, then we realized we can't sit back and react to threats, we need to go out an eliminate them.
There was no luck involved in the allies winning, it was the industrial might of the United States that overwhelmed the axis.
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Originally posted by Rabbit:
That's the old US cowardice for you, they didn't join the war until they knew who was winning. Lucky it was the allies.
If you were to actually read about the US history during and prior to WWII you would find out that they were considering joining Hitler.
Oh wait, you won't find that in books printed in the US !! That's too much of a "no, no" to print. Check out the European history.
If you are such the educated history buff you are pretending to be, then you should know that WWII was hardly being "won" by the allies prior to U.S. involvement. In fact, if you will actually open a book on the matter instead of spouting off nonsense, you will find that Britain was within mere months of German control.
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