ok, here is the real deal. one of my friggen mufflers had come off the mount. sometimes it wouldnt hang too bad and others it would drag on the ground. it must have gotten jammed in a crack in the drive or something. that still doesnt explain why rolling out in neutral worked. third times the charm i guess. i cant believe id didnt notice earlier. i just went out to the garage and saw it hanging there with the friggen tip on the ground. it was mangled to hell. oh well, maybe its time for a new set of tips thanks anyways.