Ever Hear of eclipse? Or how about the Clarion ahh damn what the model #, the one with the dual burr brown 20bit D/A converters. The only reason i didn't get a Eclipse is that i wanted one that day. I hate waiting. The eclipse dealer was closed by the time i got out of work. As far as price i could careless. I would gladly pay 600 for a new deck. My last Eclipse was $550. I loved it alot more than i liked my Alpine.