man, i don't check this forum every day and i miss all the exciting stuff. anyway, after reading the locked thread and this whole thread just now, i forgot what the argument was about.

i respect all contours. i also respect z24s. my best friend has a 99 z24. 16.3 was his best time bone stock. i actually matched that in his car, and i shifted from 3rd to 5th (DOH!). but i did get a 2.2 60', something i've yet to do in my car. he gets me out the hole, but that's it. currently, his best time is 15.6, but he has a few mods now. i think his flywheel actually slowed him down. and i don't believe he can work his clutch right (aftermarket).

what's my point? i don't know. are we talking about cars beating cars, or drivers beating drivers? whole lotta difference there. i believe whoever said they beat the cavalier. not that it's been said, but to turn that into a contour can beat a cavalier statement is wrong.

i also believe Demon can drive. his times show that to be true. though i hate him for that , i believe it. damn 14's.