Originally posted by tourman113: I have a confession....I have been beaten many times by my buddies . His brother has one and there is such a huge difference between them its not funny. The guy with the older beats so bad.Its like really sad. They beat me off really bad and i can never gain any ground... To me i think this whole issue has been beaten to death. I just can't see it happening with my past experience with them. They are light and though they still don't have much they are quick little bastids and can't hang .