Originally posted by Rev. Po-Jay:
Lance (I mean no disrespect) people are far outliving their originally intended times. Pre Medicine, people lived about 50 years max! Hard living and sh!tty diet left them road wary and worn out. It has taken 100's of thousands of years to get to where we are now. It is comfort as well as diet that has kept up around for so long, as of late. Prove to me that Vegans and/or Vegetarians live longer and healthier than their Carnivorous counter-parts! You cannot! There has not been enough history on this subject. You know why? Because until now, people have not had the freaking option to disregard a plentiful source of food!!! Wake up dude! Sh!t man, do you think even the Depression era folks could have passed up a steak because of their "PRINCIPALS"??? Bullsh!t! Eat what you want but keep this topic on the "Meat Is Murder" newsletter! I like fast cars!

BTW- You are not "Educating" you are "Preaching".. Trust me, I am a Reverend.



Ah yes, the length of life argument. What everyone who brings this up fails to acknowledge is the QUALITY of those years. My grandfather lived to 71, but I can tell you, the last five years of his life were living hell. Modern medicine kept him alive, but I don't think it was worth it.

The main reason people live longer today is the extensive use of antibiotics and availability of "food". Prescription drugs help, too, but they don't really help make those years as good as the previous ones.

I can't prove to you here, especially when you aren't open to the evidence. But, I can tell you, the evidence is quite strong and varied. Do some research for yourself. I doubt you will, though. Read "Diet for a New America", that's a good start.

Plentiful source of food?!! Do you have ANY idea what it takes to grow beef? Do you have any idea how much agricultural land is dedicated to growing food for the cattle industry? It is mind boggling. Did you know that there isn't the same controls over the use of pesticide on these crops as there is for those intended for humans?

And where did I say I believe this due to principals? NOWHERE. If I had absolutely nothing to eat for days on end and a steak was my only option, I would probably eat it. People are vegetarians for reasons other than principals regarding animal treatment.

I could write a book here with everything I'd like to say, but it would be pointless. Your mind is made up and there's no moving you. My attitude five years ago was the same. My deteriorating health is what it took for me to start doing some research on the subject and to take action. I've spent the last four years researching and learning as much as I could about what it takes to be optimally healthy. I've only been a vegetarian for the last two.

-Lance

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