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Doesn't it sound a ton better with speakers in the rear?
IMO, it sounds worse. If you're running anything full-range behind you, it pulls the front soundstage back.
More does not always mean better.
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Thanks for the info! I am going to save a lot of money by just getting a 2 channel amp, and having one less set of speakers to buy. I think I am going to go with Alpine SPX-177A 6 1/2" components for the front. Anybody heard these in action? 
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Yes, I believe that is what the honkeytonk monkey had. Don't know where he is now, though.
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I have Pioneer Premiere 6x9s 3-ways all around. I did it that way because I used to depend on them for the bass. I've now added an 8" Apline sub to the rear deck, so I changed the configuration a bit. I used the amp's crossovers to only run highs to the front 6x9s, and then bridged the rear channel for the sub and run the lows to it. Then I let the Kenwood headunit run the rear speakers...kind of a filler, if you will. I really like the way it sounds, but if I had it all to do again, I would do components. 
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Originally posted by SVTcoop:
Thanks for the info! I am going to save a lot of money by just getting a 2 channel amp, and having one less set of speakers to buy. I think I am going to go with Alpine SPX-177A 6 1/2" components for the front. Anybody heard these in action?
don't know about those, i have the Alpine SPS-5729, set and they are awsome. about 120 a pair.
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Originally posted by SVTcoop:
Doesn't it sound a ton better with speakers in the rear?
 
Actually, it is much more likely that you'll make it sound worse than better, depending on what your definition of good sound is.
The question I always ask people is: "When you go to a concert, where is the stage?" 
For most people, the stage will be in front of them, with all the sound emanating from it. So why would you want anything different in the car?
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Originally posted by SoundQ SVT:
Originally posted by SVTcoop:
Doesn't it sound a ton better with speakers in the rear?
Actually, it is much more likely that you'll make it sound worse than better, depending on what your definition of good sound is.
The question I always ask people is: "When you go to a concert, where is the stage?"
For most people, the stage will be in front of them, with all the sound emanating from it. So why would you want anything different in the car?
It may not be what you're used to, but once you've heard it done right you'll never want it any other way.
And then there was the new thought, with the new technology called 6.1 surround sound. Where you hear things from left and right back and forward (we only have left to right i believe on most stereos) That made it seem like you were in the middle of it, not watching it. If you want to seem like you are watching something on stage, or shall I say listening to something on stage, Install all your speakers up front and non in the back window. Otherwise go for the surround sound effect, Sound very good. I have heard it in other cars. AWSOME. but then again it depends on the type of music you are listening too.
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I'm not exactly sure I followed. There is very little music recorded in any surround format. To use it requires special processors. If you don't have those processors, the speakers in back will not give you the surround sound effect. Besides, the point of surroud sound is not to put you in the middle of the band on stage. It's to try to recreate the reflections of sound and increase the ambience of the recording.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
I'm not exactly sure I followed. There is very little music recorded in any surround format. To use it requires special processors. If you don't have those processors, the speakers in back will not give you the surround sound effect. Besides, the point of surroud sound is not to put you in the middle of the band on stage. It's to try to recreate the reflections of sound and increase the ambience of the recording.
Yeah.. what he said.
Actually, DTS is trying to help 5.1 (not 6.1) get into the car audio scene. They worked with USACi to develop a competition based on a 5.1 system. Again, the point of 5.1 is only to get the appropriate sonic reflections of a room to come from their appropriate direction. It is not to make you one of the performers on the stage itself. The problem is that there is very little music publicly available that was recorded with true 5.1 mic placements and even fewer still that sound good.
Beyond that, there aren't any CD-only players that I know of that can provide a 5.1 signal to an outboard processor, let alone do the processing itself.
Oh, and since you're so curious about what to use for your surround sound system, answer me this: what are you going to use for your front center channel? And more importantly, where are you going to put it?
I think we're still a little ways away from true multi-channel surround systems being done on a regular basis in the car. Until then, just give me my 2 channel system with all the speakers in front of me. When done correctly, it can still make you feel like you're really at the performance.
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Originally posted by SoundQ SVT:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
I'm not exactly sure I followed. There is very little music recorded in any surround format. To use it requires special processors. If you don't have those processors, the speakers in back will not give you the surround sound effect. Besides, the point of surroud sound is not to put you in the middle of the band on stage. It's to try to recreate the reflections of sound and increase the ambience of the recording.
Yeah.. what he said.
Actually, DTS is trying to help 5.1 (not 6.1) get into the car audio scene. They worked with USACi to develop a competition based on a 5.1 system. Again, the point of 5.1 is only to get the appropriate sonic reflections of a room to come from their appropriate direction. It is not to make you one of the performers on the stage itself. The problem is that there is very little music publicly available that was recorded with true 5.1 mic placements and even fewer still that sound good.
Beyond that, there aren't any CD-only players that I know of that can provide a 5.1 signal to an outboard processor, let alone do the processing itself.
Oh, and since you're so curious about what to use for your surround sound system, answer me this: what are you going to use for your front center channel? And more importantly, where are you going to put it?
I think we're still a little ways away from true multi-channel surround systems being done on a regular basis in the car. Until then, just give me my 2 channel system with all the speakers in front of me. When done correctly, it can still make you feel like you're really at the performance.
no 6.1, thats odd, why do computers supports 6.1 surround sound
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