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Originally posted by contour_phoenix_when:
Big Jim did you ever have one of your three ATXs power flushed by a machine at a lube shop like Jiffy Lube before?
I work in a dealership. In the various dealerships I have worked in, they have used different trans flush machines, the hose in a bucket method, and no flush method (draining what you can from the pan). The hose in a bucket method works just as well as the flushing machines.
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Originally posted by fastcougar:
RoadRunner,
Sorry for my mouthing off ... I seem to have done a lot of that lately. I am bitter at life and lashed out ... sorry! I am in a situation where I want to A) ensure that my transmission last a hell of a long time, and B) I can save as much money as possible in doing so.
My wife is unemployeed and pregnant, thus I got the Contour for the baby and the automatic for the wife. Her being unemployeed is really stressing us financially, so when I read about this method, I was very pleased at the prospect that it would A) help my transmission last a longer life and B) save me money in the process. My personal financial and home life situations steered me into my stance ... a biased opinion ... not good.
I just got back from lunch, where I talked at length with a local transmission shop owner about the CD4E and more importantly, about transmission flushes in general. He said that he rebuilds many transmissions a week due to such flushes and the shop themselves do nothing of the sort and are vietmaly agains them. He sited the same reasons that you have pointed out ... the process dislodges sludge/grime that are integral to seals that have been set for many many miles. He said "there is no reason that a properly operating transmission can't run it's fluid 100K miles without changing ..." key words there being properly operating 
He was familiar with the CD4E and stated the following:
"It's a good little transmission and only has two main failure points ... high line pressure on heavy acceleration and forward rolling reverse commands ... other than that, it should last a long time".
I asked him about auxilary filters and coolers and he highly recommended both, but warned about frequent filter changes. I don't mind paying a few extra bucks every 12-15K miles to ensure that wear materials are being removed from the tranny. Splitting open the filter after servicing will give some indication as to the internal state of the tranny's wear parts.
I don't agree with the trans shop owner. My experience is that we have less trans failure from doing a full fluid exchange than we did with the old partual drain method from dropping the pan. Perhaps he sees more old cars than I do. I especially remember the big difference that a fluid exchange made in turbo Volvos. Volvo claimed that the trans never needed to have the fluid changed. If they were not serviced, they almost always failed at about 60,000 to 70,000 miles. When they were service every 30,000 miles by just dropping the pan, they lasted about 90,000 to 100,000 miles. When they were serviced by the hose in a bucket method every 30,000 miles they seldom failed.
It is my opinion that a trans that fails shortly after a trans flush, it was near the end of its life anyway. I don't see this often, but when I do, on teardown it is obvious that the trans was already in deep trouble.
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hmm... another thing occured to me.. i have no idea what fluid is in there... if it's not mobil1, is it safe to mix fluids?
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Originally posted by RoadRunner:
Ford Dealerships also service the CD4E the same way.
not true at popular ford service in brookyn, nyc, the price is $100 for a drain and refill any more than 5 qts you will be charged extra, the tranny would not be hooked up to a machine to get a total flush, she also stated that there is no filter of any kind in the tranny, (for my car see sig)
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I have taken my Contour to Jiffy Lube every 20-25K for the trans flush (3 times so far). I have over 70K miles on my car and I beat the hell out of the car. Just a few months ago I installed a trans cooler and the car hasn't ran better. I race, and constantly push my car so I can't understand all the problems some of the other members have with their trans.  Maybe you can't baby your car that much.  
Hector
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so the rolling thought is NOT to flush ones ATX in their contour, ?? i have had 2 of them done with no appearnt problems save 2 isolted times. but i did talk to a tranny place in PA when i was out there this summer. and did not advise them for it. but my problem is other then drain and fill which from what i was told is not effective?? or somthing like that. and they told me that my car has a maszda tranny??? hey w/120,000 on it i should be happy right?
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I know nothing about the inside of the tranny, but I flushed mine last summer, and I plan to do it again this summer. It just seems to me that if there is junk inside of the tranny, it needs to be removed, and it seems to me that a flush will remove more of the 'junk' than a drain and fill.
Just my $.02. I know nothing.
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Originally posted by Big Jim:
The hose in a bucket method works just as well as the flushing machines.
Are you saying that the method that I outlined does indeed work? For me, it was merely theory for the CD4E as it differs greatly from the 4R55E and 5R55E found in the Explorer, but the theory is sound and I believe that it SHOULD work, but have no proof. From my prior postings in this thread, hopefully all can agree that I can not afford to A) destroy my own transmission trying something that I THINK MAY WORK and B) ignore the current situation and allow the thing to go south on it's own over time. It seems that if someone can show 10 reasons why something works, someone else can show 15 why it doesn't.
Has anyone used this method successfully? What about a similar method? Please give details!!
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10/98 purchased 96 gl sport, @ 26k, tranny flush history unknown, 12/01 @ 64k first flush, 4 qts; 7/02 @ 70.8k second flush, 4 qts; next flush in may/june 03. no apparent transmission problems, thank you lord,
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You are grossly misusing the word "flush" ... you are draining 4 Quarts and refilling ... essentially diluting the mix ... this IS NOT flushing
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