Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums General Troubleshooting Any Way To Bypass PATs?

Just a note I had my laptop with the OBD II software and was trying to see what code was output when I tried the Non-Pats key. I found out that if I used the Pats key and then used the non-pats imediately after it would allow the starter to operate. However with the Non-pats still inserted turned it off and tried again nothing like it's supposed to do.
I wondering this bug might be why the later Pats systems don't allow the programing (by the owner ).

OH Jason I forgot there is an antenna that the Transceiver uses. It's located (weill since I've never had it apart and the picture in the manual does really show the antenna) the transceiver ,according to this picture, is found by removing the bottom steering column cover. I do know that interference by other keys/etc is a problem.
I believe code P1232 will be outputed if there's a problem with antenna. If the I'm understanding the manual correct.
Remember I never actually done this for myself.

Yes sounds like a good look inspection is in order. Remember this is a radio of sorts (digital maybe) it can intermitent if something/wiring be disturbed. I know this from experience (ham radio & radio in Mil).
If I get time and the weather warms alittle I take a look, I'm curious. I an old habit I have find out what your working with before the fire-fight hits! Hi Hi
Paul

two Pats key on the same key ring won't work!
Paul

Just got back from the cold garage, since when is the "top of the steering column" on the bottom or in this case the right side. Well at least I now know where the Pats transceiver really is. Jason if you didn't have the bottom half of the steering column cover off forget about that area. And this antenna thing well it's not something you can unplug? It's part of the transceiver plastic assemby. Sure glad I'm not a mechanic, who writes these manuals?
Actually it's fits around the key cylinder with the ckt board hanging underneath and one machine screw holding it place on the top of the bottom side of the column? $99 bucks Jeeze!
So I can't see any problem with running speaker wires or whatever in the dash interfering with the transceiver. The only area is right there around the ignition key cylinder.

Key when inserted can't be more than 3/8"-1/2" from the xcvr's ant.
Go to know what's really where, hopefully if I get boned-up on the system mine won't break!
I still have a thousand questions of my own to answer.
As far as your original question,I haven't got brave enough yet to try experimenting with pin 3.
Paul

LOL damn Paul you are going wayyy far out of your way to help. I cant believe it! Well I am picking up the car tomorrow. I am just going to run a wire from the battery (with inline fuse) and switch to my fuel pump and it will run.. hopefully that little red light wont blink its ass off the whole time.. I am going to do that until I get my Superchip back and reburned to bypass PATS ass! When I get the chip back I will let you all know if it works! Thanks people!

Jason

No problem Jason!
I'm also satisfying my curiosity (why is there air), as I've said before, and hopefully it will help other CEG's once this is in the archives. It's always been my thing to share my findings, not that I'm an expert, but if we all can share, we all (together) can eventually figure out how to troubleshoot better/correctly/etc the next time. It's that team concept thing.
If I understand what your saying that the PCM software has to be modified also along with pin 3? Not surprizing. It wouldn't be much of a secruity if it was toooo simple?

I'm going to give my service manager a call (?????) if it's possible that he has knowledge/software patch to bypass it.
If Superchips can do it, any software "guru" can write a patch it's all about how much$$$. Biggest problem the dealer has is what Ford allows them to do by restricting the info they are given. Getting the correct passwords or knowledge of the software architechture, well lets put this way, I've seen it done many times by telco vendors and it's always been about how much are you willing to pay $$$$ Hi Hi
Let me know how it turns out Jason?
Tnx
Paul
N8BUU
The more knowledge I gather the more I realize I don't know!
I'll shut-up now it's a problem when your an YORF. young old retired fart

Ah goood the edit timer hasn't elapsed! Now I know and not to my surprize and security reasons Ford will not tell the dealer how to get around the Pats. HeH if you don't ask
This is why I buy what I buy, the dealer in a small farming community will put up with my strange/frank curiosities!

Well I got my car back from my buddy who was working on it and I ran a wire from the batt to the fuel pump with a switch. (just for temp until I get my chip programmed) It will not start with either ECU! GRRRR I smell gas so maybe I have fouled the plugs? Have you ever had a problem with a car not starting at all because the plugs were so fouled? Well now its time to take that info you gave me on all that wiring and see how much more I can screw up.. actually I am going to get some fresh plugs and try them first.. I will keep you updated... till then.. hey how much would you charge to come wrk on my car in Baltimore, MD?? LOL

wait I forgot to tell you.. I found a wire where the bolt goes into the ECU (engine compartment) I think it is in Position #51 its black with a yellow stripe.. anyway it was frayed and exposed, and rubbing on the bolt that actually holds the ECU up.. think this could have been a problem?

jeesh one more ques. You think if I run a hot wire to pin3 It will enable it to bypass?????

i'm just sitting here patiently waiting for you guys to figure this thing out. i also have a problem, although a little different. my 98 mystake occasionaly will not crank.when this happens,
at the cars convenience, all i have to do is walk away, take a break then come back and most times she starts. then at times it takes hours for her to crank. always when this happens the led on the dash blinks like crazy.
my mystique driving me crazy,
HELP!!!!!

Damn Sam,
Well it sounds to me if the red light is blinking fast, you DO have a problem with your PAT System. I cant totally remember but I never thought mine had a fast blink in the past. But of course in the past it had always fired up on the first or second turn of the starter. I do Apologize for taking so long but for one I get frustrated with it, and rather than beat the crap out of the car I walk away. As of now I have given up trying to figure out of I can take this wire and put it to another to bypass it. Most people get a chip anyway. Now if I send my chip away and they can not do anything with it then, I will be forced to start butchering my PATS wiring system. My friend that was working on my car for me told me he worked on a caddilac one time that had the same problem, and all he had to do was put a paperclip in the right spot. I guess if you work on GM Crap its easy to fix it with crap. Well Sam all I can say is I will send my chip away and when I get it back cross my fingers and hope it works. If it does I will post the name and phone of the place that hooked it up for me. Till then dont lose faith in your MYSTIQUE!