Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums General Troubleshooting Any Way To Bypass PATs?

Ok guys the led flashing rapidly is the Pats not recognizing the key, is the key on a key ring or by itself?
Pin 51 Jason is one of grounds Blk/yel is paired with another going to pin 77 . 103 & 24 are grounds also.
And I don't think your going to get it started, there are so many inputs to the PCM that all have to work together before the proper outputs. If one of the Ford engineers that use to hang out on here couple years ago I'm sure they explained quicker and correctly.
Oh yes the PCM is where the programing resides for the PATS and has to work in a certain sequence along with pin 3. And what else, due to anti-theft natural of this system mods are shared with the dealer or authorized.
Jason did this start before or after the Supechip?
I'm just wondering if Superchip is allowed to bypass Pats for you or not. I've never ran into this Bypass module the one of the guys mention that Best Buy sells. I'm surprised they are allowed to sell it??? Who knows?

Oh have you called Superchips and asked them about doing this?
Do you know a locksmith? Locally they could give you some advice of what he's allowed to do.
Course you can always save up the money and hopefully find a Ford dealer you feel would help or work with you. All the manuals in the world won't help us, and I say that because it may take a tech that has attended Ford's training course to get all the inside info. "Big Jim" out in Calif is a Ford service manager, he might share with us,(what he's allowed to) at least give you an idea which is the best way to handle. save you from trying things that may cause more damage.
I tried using my Non-Pats key and did not get the proper error code that the manual said I should????
This wondeful technology is hard to learn without proprietary training nowdays.
Paul

Well the superchip was never in my car until I tried it AFTER the problem occured. Up Till then I was running the original PCM with the orginal Chip. I just got the superchip with an extra PCM I just purchased. I just tried it for the heck of it. Then I heard that superchips are able to program the chip to bypass PAT. I called the guy (superchip dealer) and he said some not all of them are able to get around it. Most likely I would be able to do it with mine being an older model. Hey Paul do you know if it matters which PCM I use as long as it is for a 98 SVT or not?

Thanks,
Jason

Jason
All I know for sure on the bottom edge of the PCM (trying to remember) a bar code and ID code. I've heard the term tear tag, but anyhow for example mine is KCA3. In order for the PCM to be a perfect match, these codes would have to match. IF you knew that the spare you had came from the same type of transmission MTX or ATX you probablely might get away with it. But if you only knew of all the running changes that are made in the same year it would make sense. Well sort of!!!!
Post over in the Mods or Durectec performance sections and see if you might run into someone more familiar. Give them the code that's on each PCM.
Couple of years ago I remember a big discussion about this.
Also the tear tag code was also attached to the passenger side door jam at the factory (hinge side "A" pillar), but since it was paper and not coated most came off.

Tinkering with cars can be a real pain nowdays. All this computer controlled stuff and all the revisions, calibratons changes, etc
Good Luck
Paul

Almost forgot since you said you don't have a spare key the dealer or a locksmith could re-acquait your Key with the PCM. It may just be that simple.
A friend of mine had something simple like that.

i'd just buy a dei bypass module from any car audio/alarm shop. thats how they bypass pats when doing alarm installs. i think they r 40-50 bucks. doesn't seem much if it'll solve your problem.

according to all that i have read, you still need a key present to by-pass. is this info correct?
still waiting on the cure for my mystake

Hmouta,
I spoke to some people that sell the bypasss, they said you have to be able to get the car started to use it? Doesnt seem like you would have to since it is a BYPASS LOL! Anyway.. Sam I would go buy one of those things quick if I were you.. the bypass that is.. they are 40bucks at Best-Buy.. since you are able to get your car started from time to time, I would do that in a heartbeat, and quick before it totally gives on you like mine has.. I may just try the bypass anyway for craps and giggles..(I dont think we are allowed to cus on here and if we were I am soo frustrated I am sure they would kick me off anyway LOL).. I think I will try the best buy thing tomorrow. you never know I may get lucky.. wish me luck Paul, and Sam! I will post with the results!

Jason

Paul,
Just got some interesting info. Spoke to previous owner, he told me the PCM is not the orginal one for the car. The old one supposedly but the dust. I was looking at the one that was in it and right under the bar code where the harness plugs into the PCM it says REMANUFACTURED! COuld it be that this PCM has bit the dust and the reason it wont run on my spare PCM is because it is not compatible.. I was told my spare came from a 98 SVT, you would think it would work! Are theses PCM's know to just "Go bad"? Get back to me

Ok I talked to a Mechanic who has worked for a Ford Dealer for 20 years today, and he said if you are getting a fast flash (PATS) then leave the Key in that position (where all the dash lights are on and the security light is blinking fast) leave it in the position for 20 to 30 mins! He said this may fix it.. so leave it alone for 30 mins.. if your light goes to blinking slow or goes out alltogether I am guessing your car should start.. So SAM the next time your car does this leave it sit like that for 30 mins. I think he says this reprograms the key really good or reaquaints the key with the system.. I forgot... when I get my PCM back next week and it doesnt start my car I will try that... Sam if you do it and it works let us know!! Talk to you all later.. Paul what is your view on this??

Jason

Heh Jason
Generally the PCM's are fairly reliable, but there are so many inputs and outputs,that just one problem and the whole thing has to be replaced.
As far as leaving the key turned on, well a dead battery would be possible. Not every mechanic gets to go to all the training classes. So he may have heard something out of context. From what I can find in the 98 manual and I've got a feeling there are supplements for the Pats that are not published for security reasons or whatever. I can't find anything about leaving it on for that long.
One of the mechanic's told me that to re-program the key in your situation, they have to hook up the Star tester (Ford's laptop) put in the Pats password, insert the key and the rest is propietary. Well actually I forgot it was last year.
It also comes from the military & phone company experiences, I was able to listen in on so much propietary info, we were legally bound not to not repeat anything we heard.
At least that's what I blame for my poor memory.
Paul

LOL Paul,
I am really crossing my fingers hoping superchips can come through for me. If not Do you think I can take just my PCM and jeys to the dealer and they fix it for me?? why would they need the whole car there. I really dont have time to work on towing it and really dont feel like paying the price either. I found in the archives where someone said you can take Just the PCM to the dealer and have them "Flash it" so I would think they could do other things.. let me know what you think..

J