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But I'm not too lazy to defend my stance.

I notice you don't even comment on the meat of my argument. What was that I heard you mention about substance and contributing. You feel it is necessary to comment on an aside comment while totally bypassing the thesis of my arguement. So right back at ya, speaking of the relevance of contributions to the discussion.

What say you, is it better to get offended based on speculation or to ask the original poster what he meant?

I have a pretty good sense of humor, but occasionally, I grow weary of all the folks just waiting for someone to knock the chip off their shoulders.

TB
Saving my energy and rage for real problems.

exactly and this isn't even a real problem. a real problem would have been AirKnight saying that type of thing in front of the wrong people and getting slapped upside his head for it. Sorry I didn't comment on the "meat" of your argument, I was too lazy to read what you said.


Regardless, this is a message board where things get taken at face value. AirKnight made that comment not once but twice and it's not like he was extremely vague with his words. As far as taking offense to things, that's not something I make a habit out of but as I said earlier, I didn't appreciate those comments. I felt they had an ignorant tone and obviously I wasn't the only one.

Replying to myself... (Why don't we just have a post button at the top of each topic?)

I went back, and I still agree with what I initially said, no one asked AirKnight what he meant.

I do think Antonio handled the comment like a gentleman, and that is no suprise. I've spoken with him both on the phone and face to face at various Spring Zing events, so I expected no less.

However, a bunch of folks just piled on. I guess because it feels good to kick a guy when you think he is down. But that is only one speculative reason.

Kinda like speculating what AK meant by what he said.

Speculation, AKA assumption often will make an ass out of those who practice it.

I guess I'm a glass is half full kinda guy, where AK was contrasting what he believes is Antonio's well executed car, to other cars that are not as well executed.

Of course, we have the troublesome third person pronoun, "they"

And this is the sticking point, what does "they" mean. Does it refer to a race? Does it refer to those who drive Chevys or does it refer to folks with bad taste?

None of us know, expect for AirKnight.

So, in absence of knowing exactly what he meant, and in absence of anyone even asking him what it meant, I feel it is pretty lame to speculate that it was a racially motivated comment.

I hope you all were not too lazy to read this, or bored by my POV.

TB

see and that's exactly the kicker, he used the word "they" which I took as a blanket statement like all hispanics or blacks have bad taste. The chances that he was referring to only those in the picture are extremely slim if you ask me.

And I'm not interested in kicking anyone when they're down . As I said before, my post had nothing to do with Antonio's reply. Basically what you're telling me is that because Antonio came with a thorough response, that I have no business expressing my feelings or adding my thoughts which is nonsense. I also don't appreciate you trying to lump me in with people who get offended easily because I'm definitely not one of those.

I didn't like what was said and I called him on it. It's up to him if he wants to defend his position but even then, I think what's done is done and he's shown his true colors.

Ok. I'm going to tell you what I meant by "they". At the end, you can call me racist or whatever it doesn't matter because I do not agree with any of those political correctness BS most people seem to love so much. I believe in disagreeing with certain things without having to worry about any of the political correctness BS. In the end you'll also find out that deep down inside, you're also a little racist because it was you who automatically assume by "they" it can only include blacks/hispanics and black/hispanics only.

Yes, what I meant by "they" were some blacks/hispanics, no doubt about it. "They" as in those who like the blingings and all that stuff. And by "they" I also meant those of "them" including whites/asian/anything else who are "ghetto". That one picture of that "ghetto" white boy is an example of what I'm talking about. I make fun of "them" regardless of what race "they" are, because most of the people I know do not like blings. I think those who keep turning everything into race issues are the ones that are really racists. And all those white people that feel like they're on a crusade to safe the "minorities" are as racists as they can be. Why do you need to help "them"? Are "they" not strong enough to stand up for themselves without your help? If that driver in the picture was a "ghetto" white boy (or Asian/Arab/Indian/etc...), I would still have used the work "they" because "they" in my mind, does not include just blacks/hispanics; and if you still think "they" are only blacks/hispanics, then YOU are the real racist!

Oh and before you rag on me about how I do not like "ghetto" stuff. About the only thing I don't like is "their" appearance stuff like clothes, cars, etc... I have no problem with their music and some other stuff. Matter or fact, I actually like to listen to some hip-hops.

Perhaps we should just have a PM discussion about this.

I didn't say you aren't allowed to have feeling about this. I just question the basis of those feeling, in light of your own words about AK's comment being "vague"

If his comments are vague, as you said in a previous post, then how can you rationally take offense to a vague comment.

I guess everyone is different, and one could probably argue equally well that it is not rational for me to butt in to this conversation as well, but I'm in.

I do wish AirKnight would comment on what he said, to clarify what was going on.

I, like you, would like to see a truly colorblind society. I don't think we ever will because people of ALL COLORS focus on differences or point out the color of someones skin for both good and bad.

For example, when Halle Barry took the Oscar for best actress, there were many in the media, as well as this board who wanted to point out that this was the first time a Black Woman won the Oscar for Best Actress. Many times the conversation turns to the fact that she is black and this was the first, etc.

I argued on this board that by drawing attention to her race TAKES AWAY from her accomplishment. It takes attention off the quality of her performance and her accomplishment, and puts that attention on race. So it cuts both ways. If people are willing to accept comments such as those made about Halle Barry's accomplishments being a breakthrough for African-Americans, then you have to also consider there will be those who make negative critiques attached to race.

If you accept one, you have to accept the other. However, to truly develop a colorblind society, you have to discourage both types of comment as well. Otherwise, it just isn't fair to all members of a society if you are only allowed to make positive, critiques that include race as part of the critique.

I guess I'm a bit naive, since I'd like to think the best over everyone first, and only after they prove otherwise, I give them the benefit of the doubt.

I simply felt you were taking just the opposite approach, which I feel is not right, in light of the "vagueness" of the words used.

TB
A glass is half full kinda guy.

My GF's dad has a 1996 SS, it has a column shift still...wow has this topic gone down the porcelain pee hole...