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Making any claims of how well one did against another on a road course is no where near a legitimate comparison, unless the persons racing against you were high caliber race drivers. Just cause a car may make over 400hp, that doesn't mean the driver is in tact with the cars ability.
Speaking from experience racing on Road Courses/AutoX's/Drag Strips, it's a Drivers Field, especially for the first 2. Take the best driver put him in a mediocre performance machine then put an average driver in a high powered machine and chances are the driver with more experience will still win. I won't go into my personal experiences but when comments are made that "I drove so fast onto the rear of a high powered car that I drove that racer right off the race track," obviously the caliber of Drivers needs to be raised, because I can tell you, you would never be able to run me off the track, better yet have fun trying to stick with me!!!
I side with Dan Nixon's comment, in MOST cases, especially on a fast road course, with 2 very good drivers in both either a High Powered Camaro/Mustang or Corvette against a Contour, the Contour should almost always get it's A** handed to it, almost always, though I have stepped cross that line already (though my SVT is very highly modded for track conditions)
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Originally posted by wattspxr: Making any claims of how well one did against another on a road course is no where near a legitimate comparison, unless the persons racing against you were high caliber race drivers. Just cause a car may make over 400hp, that doesn't mean the driver is in tact with the cars ability.
Speaking from experience racing on Road Courses/AutoX's/Drag Strips, it's a Drivers Field, especially for the first 2. Take the best driver put him in a mediocre performance machine then put an average driver in a high powered machine and chances are the driver with more experience will still win. I won't go into my personal experiences but when comments are made that "I drove so fast onto the rear of a high powered car that I drove that racer right off the race track," obviously the caliber of Drivers needs to be raised, because I can tell you, you would never be able to run me off the track, better yet have fun trying to stick with me!!!
I side with Dan Nixon's comment, in MOST cases, especially on a fast road course, with 2 very good drivers in both either a High Powered Camaro/Mustang or Corvette against a Contour, the Contour should almost always get it's A** handed to it, almost always, though I have stepped cross that line already (though my SVT is very highly modded for track conditions)
Iv taken out camaros,Iv been spanked by them. I'v take out Corvettes, and i'v been murdered by them. I believe your right it all depends on the driver. being though thet my contours suspension is still stock i still have not reach my cars true potential. I to have also raced.Mainly in BMW club racing and NASA sponsored events. My work has about 3 BMW touring cars. 2 M3's and one 325I. I must admit the power the M3's have can scare inexperienced drivers. So i can see how a person in a Comaro(z28 or SS) Can be scared of turns(especialy since Front wheel drive cars have an advantage in turns). But i have also seen 2 almost equal drivers ( one in an porsce 911 the other in a RSX-S) Go at it the the RSX driver kicked his but.but then 5 months later at the same track they went at it again and the porsche won. Theres a lot of factors involved, car(performance mods), driver, weather, road condition, tire conditions and just pure BallZ. So to say that drive can make all the difference is correct.But to say that a Contour should lose most of the time I must disagree with. I Have only lost 50% of the time.Thats including stock, and slightly to medium modified cars. Maybe its becasue Im a better drive 50% of the time or there worse drivers 50% of the time. But on things for sure, after driving my 1999 SVT, if i were to get another car I would watch my back if one of these came up behind me. Roz
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Sorry, you need to do a little more than just a supercharger to get 300 HP let alone get into the 13 or 12's. You need the basic bolt ons and stuff. Too many to name.
The fastest 2.5 liter i have seen that is still street legal is 13.5. And that was after extensive modification. Now if he did a 3.0 liter mod and through on a super with basic bolt on's, thats a little more believeable.
So before you run your mouth giveing this guy ideas make sure he gets his facts stright and that "yes" a supercharger is great, but you need to do more than that to get good quater mile times...or atleast direct him to some one who knows and is willing to give the time to explain.
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Ok sorry ill get with reality but if you have a stock 2.5 and you throw on a supercharger from vortech you can achieve 274 Horsepower and about 210 Pounds of tourqe enough to hit low 14's possibly high 13's I'm not a fool if thats how you take me, I also read and get my research as you can see in my last post with the smiles and faces i wasn't exacly bein serious BUDDY.  <--- from me
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Im just saying you need to better explain yourself because if you notice some post that some people are not the brightest and they may not be able to tell when your kiddin. And yes I have done my research too. I have been Racing for 3 years. Not contours but I know enough about the basics of engine mechanics and then some.
So don;t jump to conclusions thinking I was trying to insult you or your inteligence. Cause I wasn't.
And you may want to watch who you talk to lie that. Some on this site don;t take kindly to an attitude like yours. And besides, the only CEGer's I ahve respect for on this site are the ones who deserve it. Right now your not one of them.
And by the way....please don;t come back and say" i don't care about your respect" cause it just gets old after a while.
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Sorry about the action I thought you were insulting my intelligents. didnt appreciate it.. but guess you weren't take back what I sayed where here to talk about fords... not to talk about each other
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Originally posted by Mad_Medeiros: Sorry about the action I thought you were insulting my intelligents. didnt appreciate it.. but guess you weren't
take back what I sayed where here to talk about fords... not to talk about each other
I apologize too. i hope we all can better communicate so we can avoid bad situations like this. And Welcome to CEG....I just realized your new...well...new name atleast...lol If you ever need any help just PM me....and I do apologize again. It waasn't my intent to insult you. Happy holidays! Roz
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i thought the vortech gives you 294hp??? smaller pulley=over 300hp. but vortech won't drop you into 12's alone is true.
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