Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums General Troubleshooting oil stravation cause..right here!

Well to be honest I dont know about the ATX model. All I can say is mine is a 00 SVT and it has NO problem at all reving to the redline in nuetral. Sorry but that thought never entered my head.

well not to bash anyone but the man who passed this information to me has a Masters in Mech Engineering. His brother in law is the guy who works for Rousch-
He also has a Masters-
I think I would trust at least two ME guys over a few "enthusiest" opinions- I dont wanna raise hell with ya RedSVT but I value their opinion much more than yours. as for this being bogus- well you did know that the Bondurant SVT's had modded oil pans in them didnt you?? they held about 1 quart more than stock-
also the Rousch Racing guys are blowing 8 of 10 Aston Martin V-12's on the dyno test. If you call them and ask them
#1 you wont get the guys in the Duratec lab.
#2 they probably cant and wont tell you the results of thier tests.
#3 if they did say much they could get fired. #4 They do a ton of "undercover developement" work for Ford so they cant say anything about what they work on.

I here these facts because of my job and the people who we know. The guys at rousch aint kidden when they do tests, if you knew what they did to motors you would piss your pants-
BTW the last Rousch rig that was at my shop had 7 motors in the back just rolling around- 4 cobra R motors that had blown in desert testing and 3 Nascar motors-
ive seen it with my own two eyes-
but ask them about the blown Cobra R motors and they wont tell you squat- because they get payed upwards of 60K not to.
you dont tell shop details to just anyone-
anyof you in buisness know that you have to cover all your bases.
I gladly share what I can guys- I could share more if you were around here- all you would have to do is come by our shop and we could talk cars for hours- dont kill the messenger- I have tried to see if he will get me the dyno results in paper or if he would like himself to be known - a fellow CEG'r has asked to speak to him as he works in the same Rousch Complex- well as of now- he hasnt sent the papers and doesnt want to say his name- I know it but im covering his bases for him- Id do the same for each and everyone of you - and id expect you to do the same for me.

6 litres = 6.35qts for you standard folks.

BTW - don't forget the standard SVT fill was already a higher 5.85qts (due to the oil cooler.)

Don't know the year the standard Duratecs went to that as "Standard" fill, but IIRC it was 99.

You will notice the SVT fill specs did not change accordingly...
Why is that? Why is there more SVT oil failures? When you factor in the rate per vehicles made!!!
hmm...

The 8 oz claim at 5500rpm would go right along the right hand turn failure epidemic. Even with that little oil in the pan, if in a straight line, the pickup would be getting oil...

Gives a lot of merit IMO to this for you that "doubt" it's validity...

You can tell me Horse, I had a military "Secret Crypto" clearance in the late 60's. Hi Hi :rolleyes: Oh I'm into Ham radio Hi Hi is the CW (.-.) for what was satirical attempt.
ANYHOW, really appreciate you sharing and most important not killing the messenger!

Paul
N8BUU

Be good to know how much is in there at idle and the normal driving speeds, so we could add more without the crank aerating?

Hi Paul. Nice to see other Amateurs on here. I'm VE3DL.

Lot's of talk here about oil drainback. This is a common problem in high RPM motors. If the problem is drain back there are 2 solutions. Oil flow restrictors or improving/enlarging the drainback passageways. Obviously, you'd need to have the motor apart, but there seem to be quite a few out there doing this type of work. Sure couldn't hurt if you've got the heads off.

I think our statements are based on the first observation made in the Dyno forum section. If that observation is wrong, so be it.

I see what you're trying to say... "The test is BS."

It seems the possible problems are either/or:
- drainback
- not enough oil in the engine
- Major design flaw

What ARE your thoughts Red? All? None? What does one find out for sure? What would you do? What would you like to see done?

Anything constructive to add? I'm curious as I ( and everyone else I'm sure ) don't want to lose an engine.


P.S. Where all this resentment coming from?

Horse, I'm glad that you are not trying to bash anyone. I'm not trying to bash anyone either. I think maybe and I stress maybe someone is having a little fun with you. Why you ask? Well I've been building engines for roughly 26 years, all kinds, stock rebuilds,mild street engines, wild street engines, drag engines, circle track engines and in my much younger years I raced MX and built those engines as well. So I've seen my share of oil sumps on many different engines. Lets take the info. you beleive to be true, we have a 1/2 to 1 pint of oil in the sump of the engine.[and this is where I have a problem] Do you have any idea how high the oil level would be in the sump? We are talking about 8 oz. of oil max at that point! 8 oz. of oil in the duratech sump woul equel about 1/8 of an inch from the bottom of the pan to the top of the oil! That is all. Now the next question is where is the pickup in relation to that oil level? Well after taking that measurement which I got from the duratech on one of my engine stands last night[I did this because I knew I'd be called out] the bottom of the pickup works out to 1/4 of an inch. Now if you will subtract the 1/8 inch oil level from the 1/4 inch pickup height you get 1/8 inch difference. That difference is AIR not oil, so even on the dyno with 1 pint of oil in the sump you are sucking AIR not oil! Hey if you want to reffer to me as a "enthusiest" thats fine, and I dont take any offense to it. As far as the freind who has a brother inlaw that works for Jack. Thats great! Hell I know Jack myself! He is from my neck of the woods. Back before Jack made it big he used to drag race,and he is a phenominal guy. Sure those guy's are blowing up engines thats what they get paid to do! They run engines under conditions that they will NEVER see at the consumer level. Just because they are blowing up engines it doesnt mean the engines are disasters or all out engineering failures. That is why they cannot talk about what they are doing. The average Joe blow guy would here that some new engine design was blowing up on the stand, word would get around and Ford would not be able to give those engines away. There is no big conspiracy going on about the Duratech. There is however a lack of important info. from alot of the guy's that have had problems.

What are my thoughts? I do not beleive that there is any major problems with the Duratech. What would I do? The same thing I'm doing now! Maintaining and servicing my engine properly and enjoying driving the car. As far as loosing an engine I have NO fear of that. Could I ask you what you mean by resentment? I have NO resentment towards anyone. All I have tried to do is share my experiance and knowledge in a feild that I do know about. I have gone out of my way each and every time to say that I am not trying to pick on anyone or flame them. You know I'm not a 16 year old that just got his first car, and again I mean NO offense to ANYONE. You know if this is the way a member gets treated for trying to share some knowledge and help others find the truth, then I think I will remain silent from here on out.

That is good stuff to know. Perhaps a better question (hopefully someday we can see the official results!) is what is the oil level in the pan?? In relation to the pickup?? (i.e. when running) Is the oild level well above so that it remains covered? Even in hard rights?