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Originally posted by qaz: Maybe the theory is that there's room for 6 quarts in the heads but not 7 
BrianWhat is it you are try to say here? That if the heads will hold 6 qts. of oil the answer would be to put 7 qts. in the engine in hopes that 1 qts. would stay in the sump because it could not be pumped to the heads after they fill with 6 qts. of oil? 
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Get an Accusump installed just in case your pressure drops. That way you will have at least a fresh quart of oil 
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say (though I don't actually think that's a good solution!) Originally posted by RedSVT:
What is it you are try to say here? That if the heads will hold 6 qts. of oil the answer would be to put 7 qts. in the engine in hopes that 1 qts. would stay in the sump because it could not be pumped to the heads after they fill with 6 qts. of oil?
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FYI, I sent an e-mail to Barry Mumm, engine guy for Leo Capaldi (racing Cougar) who I talked to in the past & was very helpful. They had a Duratec with a plexiglass windowed oilpan used for oil system R&D, & it just occured to me that he may have some useful insight. I'll let you know. Right, pressure feed oil to the crank - damnit I knew that! Dooaahh...
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IF that report is not BS, then something is being left out. That was either under high G's, the engine was tilted, it was tested with a low amount of oil, a very high mileage engine with oil crud buildup. I say something was left out of these reports or motors would be replaced every other day. Just my .02
Also every manufacturer has some problems with dispticks, there are usually only a few dipsticks and they are bent to fit the proper application. It seems they don't always get the bends right.
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Originally posted by qaz:
That's exactly what I'm trying to say (though I don't actually think that's a good solution!)
OK Qaz, take a deep breath, step back from the car, and for Gods sake PUT DOWN THE WRENCH'S!!!!! LOL!!  :p
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I say something was left out of these reports or motors would be replaced every other day. I tend to agree.... i usualy change gears close to 5000 rpms ( like everybody else here ... i guess) and it would be really darn close to that point.... there must be smth else... Anybody knows for how long was that engine running like that? And by the way... anybody here ever run steady at 5-6000 rpms for like a minute or so? he should have changed the engine if this would be the case.... (or you probably do a couple of dynos and you're done.) On the other hand i'm thinking... everybody knows there's a problem... and when smb comes and sais this is the problem... nobody believes him.... Good night guys... if you can...
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He said during a dyno there was less than a pint in the pan. So it is still getting oil. "less than a pint" is your buffer... We know the pickup is on the right side of the pan. In a long right hand sweeper, that "Buffer" is zero, if we guess all the oil shoots over to the left side. It should run fine on a dyno, as long as there is some oil in the pane to keep the recirculation going. Originally posted by Andrei:
I tend to agree.... i usualy change gears close to 5000 rpms ( like everybody else here ... i guess) and it would be really darn close to that point.... there must be smth else... Anybody knows for how long was that engine running like that?
And by the way... anybody here ever run steady at 5-6000 rpms for like a minute or so? he should have changed the engine if this would be the case....
(or you probably do a couple of dynos and you're done.)
On the other hand i'm thinking... everybody knows there's a problem... and when smb comes and sais this is the problem... nobody believes him....
Good night guys... if you can...
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what about those guys who may have leaks, and/or oil consumption?
I know Ceg people are pretty carefull with their cars ... what about the rest? They never check the oil level !!!
I know this guy back home... all that his mom ever did to her car is top up the windshiels wiper liquid... and when the car broke down once she was so upset, cause she really thought that's all it matters.... don't ask me why...
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Originally posted by joe:
He said during a dyno there was less than a pint in the pan. So it is still getting oil. "less than a pint" is your buffer...
We know the pickup is on the right side of the pan.
In a long right hand sweeper, that "Buffer" is zero, if we guess all the oil shoots over to the left side.
It should run fine on a dyno, as long as there is some oil in the pane to keep the recirculation going.
Joe your kidding right? You really dont believe that a 1/2 pint of oil in the sump of an engine on a dyno runing at 5000 RPM is sufficent do you? A 1/2 pint of oil would NOT even begin to cover the pickup so you would have damn close to 0 oil pressure even on the dyno. No I'm sorry but I'm not buying any of this! Any person that has enough mechanical knowledge to build engines knows this is a STEAMING load of BULL****! So I'm still waiving the BULL**** flag on this one.
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