i don't know what that no no is for mikey... joe i was just saying you were one of the people that had problems with sleeper's time, i know you it was the off the bottle times,etc... just mikey is trying to fight a battle for duratecers by bringing in irrelevant info... and demon,, i pretty sure (from what i here) svt focus runs almost as a svt duratec, so unless svt 'tour is nearly as slow as a stock duratec, then i'm pretty sure your statement about stock mtx duratec being faster is wrong.