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Demon, get your head out of your arse and look at some numbers! You're an educated boy, you obviously must have passed physics since you're so dead set on proving this impossible. Now when you read this post remember this run was probably done in 40 degree weather with low humidity. Now I really didn't use physics to prove this, but feel free to show me and the others the proper weigh to prove this using physics and how it changes the outcome. I'll be happy to help with the equations too .
Lets say Sleeper is putting down 115hp then add 75hp to that, so we'll say 190whp (218.5chp). Now there is no way in hell his car weighs 3000lbs! My car in race trim for autoxing weighs in at 2950lbs (so has another countour at a SCCA Solo II National Tour). Now take out a bunch of our options and I'm sure his car is probably 2750lbs! So you're telling me that a car with a weight to power ratio of 12.6:1 can't run a 14.4?
Lets figure your weight to power, you're probably putting down 195-200whp now? Lets go for the 200whp figure so figuring 230chp and you've done a little weight savings too, so figure your car only weighs 2850lbs. You have a power to weight ratio of 12.4:1. Now have you had your beast at the track yet? I'd imagine you could run low 14's too! It may be really hard to launch that beast though, but all it would take is one great launch.
Just to give some reference points. The 320hp Cobras have a weight to power of around 10:1 (translates to what, mid 13's). Integra Type-R's fall in around the 12.9:1 range (14.8's or so). Hmmm, seems to me that Sleeper is right in the correct range and I don't have to prove it since I've SEEN IT!
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Thanks again Qbert!
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Dan, it's not about money, and turbo'd zetecs have made more power than duratecs (sorry you didn't know that), the 10 second zx2 is a zetec with esslinger parts. and don't tell me about what my engine can or can not do until your engine can do more than my can do (oh, sorry, now you can't talk) stock power is nothing unless you plan on leaving your car stock. the zetecs have proven themselves, deal with it.
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In reply to:
the zetecs have proven themselves, deal with it.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog: until your engine can do more than my can do
It already does...
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So much elitist BS from both sides...I can't take it any more!! *refreshes page hoping for more replies*
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Originally posted by D Davis: So much elitist BS from both sides...I can't take it any more!!
*refreshes page hoping for more replies*
I'm the best, na-na-na-na-na!
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon: Originally posted by Kremithefrog: until your engine can do more than my can do
It already does...
I said CAN, my engine CAN, just not yet... it's all about potential,,, there's plenty of v8's out there with more power, but not all of them have the potential. the duratec engine isn't a bad engine by any means (other than water pumps,etc.) but you gotta realize the zetec is no wimp. like someone else said, pull two of your spark plug wires off and then race a zetec.
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I'm telling you no respect. So much potential on both engines with the correct amount of money. You got to be willing to spend it. That is all there is to it.
Hector
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It cannot...but it might..someday..maybe.. Just messing with you.. This has been fun but all I was really pointing out was that 1) ALL engines have potential with enough green, even ancient OHV V8 tech can be turned into a 2000 HP top fuel motor. a big enough turbo on a Geo makes a monster. Yes, zetec has potential too, but it is not somehow unique to the zetec. 2) Its not about "ultimate potential" its about practical potential.. Duratec...go N/A & take advantage of cheap 3L BLOCK, increased CR and good breathing SVT heads/cams..makes 250-300 crank HP+ crank HP without breaking a sweat, a rod, or the bank. Turbo is expensive with 6 of all custom forged internals to do it right...Only for die-hards.. Zetec...go turbo. You can forged internals cheaper than Duratec, simplar exhaust plumbing..that, along with cheaper car cost tips balance in turbos favor. N/A too much buck for too little bang.. Not better, not worse..just different.
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