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My last post...
Never once did I say Zetecs couldn't be fast.
I was just makin the point that people runnin 16.8-17.8 in a quarter mile shouldnt be talkin [censored] to somebody runnin 14.7! That's what got me into this thread in the first place. It's an obvious non-contest!

Kermit...go ahead and mod your car. I just commented because you brag of modding your car and all you've done is pieced together some pvc for an intake, put on a swaybar and put on some performance-wise wortheless spark plug wires. I see your "future mods" list...good luck, I hope you can tell me "I told you so" in a few months; until then, lose the attitude.

On the equal mods topic...compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
You are comparing 2 motors; not fu¢king mods!. Not a modded zetec to a unmodded duratec. I'm sure I could mod a fu¢king Briggs & Stratton lawnmower motor to beat a Zetec. Is it a better motor? Fu¢k no!


Everytime I make a legit reply, somebody comes back with "Well if I added a turbo" or "Well if I added NOS" and Kermit even tryed to be cute by pointing out that I misspelled "priceless". It's getting to the point that I'm getting stupider everytime I read a reply. I'd be better off posting at streetkiaz.com!
You guys all just need to drop the whole "My Zetec is better" bullshit! For god's sake somebody made a post called "Duatec guys aren't too happy "...How fu¢king childish!

I run a 14.4, so why compare myself to somebody that runs a 14.7?
I'm quicker and perhaps faster.

I never once said, "Hey my Zetec is better because I modded it."
I posted my times, that is what this forum is for.
An SVT owner then decided that my times were impossible, especially for the Zetec.
So it was a Duratec person that decided to start the hole" my engine is better than yours" thing.
And other Duratec owners were quick to agree, although i had one SVT owner on my side.
I am the person that started the "Duratec guys aren't happy thread".
Why? To rally the Zetec owners with me because the Duratec owners rallied against me.
It accomplished its goal.

When you go to the track, do you only race people with the same mods?
No, you race people with similiar times without regards to their mods.
If everybody had to have the same mods on the same cars, modding would be damn boring.
And then there would be no point in any motorsports.

Originally posted by Sleeper:

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1. An SVT owner then decided that my times were impossible, especially for the Zetec.
2. So it was a Duratec person that decided to start the hole" my engine is better than yours" thing.

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1. No I said a 2.3 second improvement on a 75 shot was impossible. Regardless on any engine. (remember the 12 sec SVT reference) Don't put words in my mouth.

2. Again I never said either engine was better or worse. Just that that much of an improvement is unheard of! (IIRC laws of physics on a 3000lb car)

So if you want to justify your assinine rantings (and the other folks) do it without making up BS about other people. This is exactly why I stopped posting in this thread, but there is no way I'm letting you blame your mental complex on me by making up crap I never said.

Matter of fact I specifically posted that I wasn't saying one engine was better than the other. Something you can't say you didn't do!

So wake up and smell the bullsh^t and hippocrasy you are shoveling.

Yeah Demon !!!!!!!!

He is a waste of anyones time. I still don't see with a 2.2 sixty foot him running a 14 second pass. He would have to do a perfect r/t and 1.6 sixty foot to get a 14 second pass off a 75 shot and off the bottle he runs a worst short time with a 16 second pass. You ran 12 MPH faster in one slip than the other. You are telling us that is a 75 shot? Sorry bud but with a 75 shot your looking to pick up 7 - 8 MPH. I am familiar with nitrous due to I run it on my 3,100 lb Mustang GT and with me running a 125 shot I barely pull over a second faster (14.2 @ 98 MPH off bottle & 13.4 @ 108 MPH) on the bottle. I am going to have to call BS on this.

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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1. No I said a 2.3 second improvement on a 75 shot was impossible. Regardless on any engine. (remember the 12 sec SVT reference) Don't put words in my mouth.

2. Again I never said either engine was better or worse. Just that that much of an improvement is unheard of! (IIRC laws of physics on a 3000lb car)

So if you want to justify your assinine rantings (and the other folks) do it without making up BS about other people. This is exactly why I stopped posting in this thread, but there is no way I'm letting you blame your mental complex on me by making up crap I never said.

Matter of fact I specifically posted that I wasn't saying one engine was better than the other. Something you can't say you didn't do!

So wake up and smell the bullsh^t and hippocrasy you are shoveling.

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Me? You are the one shoveling!
You have no proof, were I have a witness and time slips.

You stated "I said a 2.3 second improvement on a 75 shot was impossible".
How is that not stating my time is imosssible?

I guess you need to learn to read, becaus I NEVER said my engine or any Zetec was better than a Duratec, yet you accuse me of it here;
"Matter of fact I specifically posted that I wasn't saying one engine was better than the other. Something you can't say you didn't do!"

Originally posted by PhatSVT:

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Yeah Demon !!!!!!!!

He is a waste of anyones time. I still don't see with a 2.2 sixty foot him running a 14 second pass. He would have to do a perfect r/t and 1.6 sixty foot to get a 14 second pass off a 75 shot and off the bottle he runs a worst short time with a 16 second pass. You ran 12 MPH faster in one slip than the other. You are telling us that is a 75 shot? Sorry bud but with a 75 shot your looking to pick up 7 - 8 MPH. I am familiar with nitrous due to I run it on my 3,100 lb Mustang GT and with me running a 125 shot I barely pull over a second faster (14.2 @ 98 MPH off bottle & 13.4 @ 108 MPH) on the bottle. I am going to have to call BS on this.

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I have a witness (QBert), so I guess he's lying too.

If you know sooooo much, then you would know r/t has NOTHING to do with ET.

So I guess I'm running a 150 shot on my car and some how my "crappy" Zetec engine has managed to not blow up from doing so. Talk about impossible!

Originally posted by Blackie:

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My last post...
Never once did I say Zetecs couldn't be fast.
I was just makin the point that people runnin 16.8-17.8 in a quarter mile shouldnt be talkin [censored] to somebody runnin 14.7! That's what got me into this thread in the first place. It's an obvious non-contest!

Kermit...go ahead and mod your car. I just commented because you brag of modding your car and all you've done is pieced together some pvc for an intake, put on a swaybar and put on some performance-wise wortheless spark plug wires. I see your "future mods" list...good luck, I hope you can tell me "I told you so" in a few months; until then, lose the attitude.

On the equal mods topic...compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
You are comparing 2 motors; not fu¢king mods!. Not a modded zetec to a unmodded duratec. I'm sure I could mod a fu¢king Briggs & Stratton lawnmower motor to beat a Zetec. Is it a better motor? Fu¢k no!


Everytime I make a legit reply, somebody comes back with "Well if I added a turbo" or "Well if I added NOS" and Kermit even tryed to be cute by pointing out that I misspelled "priceless". It's getting to the point that I'm getting stupider everytime I read a reply. I'd be better off posting at streetkiaz.com!
You guys all just need to drop the whole "My Zetec is better" bullshit! For god's sake somebody made a post called "Duatec guys aren't too happy "...How fu¢king childish!

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When did I brag about modding my car??? yeah i'm in the process, but i never bragged about it. now about comparing motors, stock non svt zetec =32.5hp per cylinder, stock non svt duratec =28.3hp per cylinder noone said a zetec is better (although it does seem much better for modding) and the duratec guys aren't happy, as you have proven,,, and talk about childish, you keep telling a 16yr old he won't have money to mod his car and continously argue with him (me),, you obviously don't want me to mod my zetec for some reason (don't want a 4 banger to be faster than your 6?), sorry dude, but i'm modding my zetec, and zetecs can be fast.. i don't have an attitude other than the fact that i don't like people telling me i'm not gonna have money to mod my car, until you can deal with the fact that i'm modding my lowly zetec, don't tell me how much better a duratec is.

"96 Contour GL ATX"

ATX? it will never be fast. sorry. unless you are loco !

Originally posted by mikey boy:

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"96 Contour GL ATX"

ATX? it will never be fast. sorry. unless you are loco !

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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:

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now about comparing motors, stock non svt zetec =32.5hp per cylinder, stock non svt duratec =28.3hp per cylinder noone said a zetec is better (although it does seem much better for modding) and the duratec guys aren't happy

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Who said duratec guys aren't happy. That comment about HP per cylinder cracked me up.

This whole thread is hilarious infact..some of you guys keep talking about "potential" and pointing to drag cars as inspiration..why do you think Ford invests big bux in these drag cars? So people like you will say "my zetec can make 1000 HP" and buy lots of Fords and Ford parts. Every engine has potential with enough cash thrown at it..as in my 1.3L Geo analogy. I have the potential to travel to the moon. It is OK to dream but from a practical standpoint, potential is grounded to a degree by practicality..this is reality.

Reality check..stick to turbos and nitrous with zetec. It worked good for sleeper. The only "potential" N/A you have is the potential to drain your bank account. The ONLY, I say again ONLY Zetec Contour to make a zetec move N/A was "madmole" from the UK. He spent IIRC $4000 dollars on porting/cams/cam gears/blueprinting/etc to make about 165 FWHP or about what a stock SVT makes. His only next move was a $3000 weber/intake conversion, not sure if he went through with it. You could EVEN start with SVT zetec at about 150 FWHP and go from there but the thing has headers stock as well as a trick intake manifold that you can't port..so you will spend big bux extracting more HP here too. You show me a zetec making N/A 180 FWHP and I will show you an owner that spent a bundle (and who could have had money left over from the $5000 turbo).

Turbocharging is a great solution for zetec. Not because it will make more power than a turbo V6 (it will not) but because it will do it cheaper...you only have to by 4 mass produced forged rods, forged pistons. V6 has to buy 6 custom made of both..there you go. My earlier point about the crank is that zetec will need a crank upgrade at some point (400 HP??) where as Duratec's billet piece will hold more power..thus "evening out" the parts outlay cost as you approach 600 HP (which is more power than our FWD cars can put to the ground without "drag car" suspension/wheel/tire/chassis/tranny mods).

You can (and will) tell me you can do what you want with your engine. But its all talk till you do it & talk is cheap. In 3 years at CEG Ive heard about 1000 guys talk about expensive engine buildups in a Contour that has limited resale value. Only recently have a few guys poneyed up for turbos and forged internals...all duratec guys. Don't tell me what you could/should/would/will do..just do it.


Oh, BTW..I did see the 10 second "all motor" ZX2. While intriguing I did not see any details. It did not even say it was a zetec. If it was, I'm sure it was bored & stroked out to about 3L and the only remaining zetec part is the block. I'm sure it cost a fortune to build as well. But, I may be wrong about calling BS on that but I would want more details.