Holy Crap. I actually read this thread? Plain and simple both engines are great engines for their own reason. I have one of each and am happy with each. If I had enough money I really don't know which one I'd play with first. Most of the attributes have already been discussed so I'll leave it at that. Just remember though there are many variations of the same vehicle, and I'm sure they are all represented on the CEG. We all share the same interest and there is no need for anyone to harp on anyone else in light of that. Honestly we really can all get along.