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Thank you cthomp21, someone else is exposing this dnewman or what ever his name is. It's funny cause you always say a name or roll eyeball or something immature. I have yet to do either, you havent read my posts clear enough. To me power handling, excursion, all the other mumbo jumbo you speak means nothing to me. What does is a small sub, preferably a 10 will do 20hz as loud as 60 hz. The challange was find a sub like sunfire, aka an 8, that will play as low as loud.

you said there was, now from who? Also what speaker manufacturer has a set that cost 160k? The most expensive i know about cost 250k Pulling figures and lies out of thin air means nothing to me. 20hz bass does. JL audio is a joke. I have listened to it and am not impressed. I still think sunfire plays deaper. Which was my whole point. Till you give me a name, and a shop, i will hold your words as make believe. Everything you have said can be read out of a mgazine, try saying something for yourself.

Just beacuse you can,t afford it doesnt make it overpriced, if you know anything about audio you will know that any ati is a very good deal, but you have already exposed yourself numerous times. I just wonder what other misimformed monkeys will believe your thin air language. I'm just trying to help you be a better consumer. Samson? i found them, try not to brag for your buddy. As i said before watts are cheap, car audio sucks nuts.

Arguing is pointless, its all in your own matter of opinion, some do car audio, some do home audio, some do both, I do both and do not have all that expensive Shizit and I love my stereo systems damn near the best I have heard in my area, in my home and my car. along with my friend, who has been into the business for 9 years. Flame if you want I won't listen

hope u guys know, wattage doesn't mean squad. absolute NOTHING!! ask anyone that truly knows and is in the business...

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hope u guys know, wattage doesn't mean squad. absolute NOTHING!! ask anyone that truly knows and is in the business...

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Since when? I guess if you're running .05 watts to a speaker, it'll still sound amazing. Or with just 10watts rms, someone could hit 170db with a single 10" sub.

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Thank you cthomp21, someone else is exposing this dnewman or what ever his name is.

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He was exposing you, not me.

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It's funny cause you always say a name or roll eyeball or something immature. I have yet to do either, you havent read my posts clear enough.

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I think we all tried to read them. Perhaps you should try being more clear.

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To me power handling, excursion, all the other mumbo jumbo you speak means nothing to me.

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That fact that physics means nothing to you doesn't surprise me.

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What does is a small sub, preferably a 10 will do 20hz as loud as 60 hz. The challange was find a sub like sunfire, aka an 8, that will play as low as loud.

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Again, I don't quite follow. If you are looking for an 8 that will produce the same levels as the Sunfire, I could come up with one or two.

Since you mention an 8", I will assume that you are referring to the original Sunfire sub that is now dubbed the "Sunfire Junior". It specs indicate a FR of 25-100hz +0-3 dB at 108 dB in room response.

Based on typical home room gain of a couple of dB in the lowest octave, I would guess that it has an anechoic F3 of 28-30 hz. The room gain allows the F3 to drop to 25 hz. Since it is a PR design, it will show a third order rolloff below the tuning freq which means that down at 18 hz, it could be off by 10-12 dB from the 108 it is producing over the rest of the pass band.

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you said there was, now from who?

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I will email Thilo from TC Sounds to get a list of the other mfgs who buy his 8" sub. I may not be at liberty to say but I will make an attempt.

Let me get some clarification before we go on with this. Are you asking for me to get an 8" sub that will fit in a 9" cube and reach 108 dB in a room at 25 hz? Or are you challenging me to find a sub, in general, that will outperform the Sunfire?

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Also what speaker manufacturer has a set that cost 160k?

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Genesis Advanced Technologies. Genesis 1. It looks like the latest iteration is selling for 135k, not 160k.

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The most expensive i know about cost 250k Pulling figures and lies out of thin air means nothing to me.

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Again, no one cares. I don't care about the genesis 1.1, I don't care about 250k speakers, I don't care if you spent 15.00. It has no relevance and doesn't do anything to back up one of your arguments.

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20hz bass does.

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Then get away from Sunfire. Why would you want a miniscule 8" sub that only produces 108 dB in room producing your subbass? I can understand if the spouse doesn't want to see it, but if you are looking for the ultimate performance, the Sunfire is not what you should be looking at.

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JL audio is a joke.

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And you are a tool...I can't believe you actually have me here defending JL. I like to tell everyone to buy other equipment for cheaper, but you are such an ass that I am forced to defend them just in case a newbie decides to follow you filthy BS that you are spreading.

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I have listened to it and am not impressed.

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Heard what? A sub? W0, W1, W3, W4, W6, W6v2, W7? Which one, which size? What kind of car? What kind of box Sealed, ported, BP, TL, IB, aperiodic membrane?

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I still think sunfire plays deaper. Which was my whole point.

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I gave you a list of 10-15 subs that will play deeper at nearly 2x the output of the sunfire. You didn't mention a size restriction originally, which is why I didn't mention an 8" because of the inherent bass limitations of an 8.

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Till you give me a name, and a shop, i will hold your words as make believe. Everything you have said can be read out of a mgazine, try saying something for yourself.

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...and I will hold you entire existence as make believe until you come up with a well thought out, coherent response. Everything I said could be read out of books, magazines, white papers, internet sources, mailing lists, forums, etc....you are absolutely right in your assessment and that may be the difference between you and me. You fall for marketing BS, whereas I research the products, the technology, design, materials and mfgs of the products.

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Just beacuse you can,t afford it doesnt make it overpriced,

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How do you know what I can afford? It just so happens that I can't afford it right now. We have a bit too many bills to afford such luxuries at this point.

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if you know anything about audio you will know that any ati is a very good deal

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I do know a little about Audio and ATI can only be considered a "value" because there are more expensive amps out there. There are also cheaper amps that will provide the same type of performance.

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but you have already exposed yourself numerous times.

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Lets keep your fantasies out of the argument.

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I just wonder what other misimformed monkeys will believe your thin air language.

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My thin air language can actually be understood. It doesn't appear that you can put together a rational thought. I can only assume that Everett is in another country and English is your second language?

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I'm just trying to help you be a better consumer.

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In what way has any of your misinformed ramblings made anyone a better consumer? The only thing I can hope is that some other under-educated troll will learn from your mistakes and purchase "hooked on phonics."

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Samson? i found them, try not to brag for your buddy. As i said before watts are cheap, car audio sucks nuts.

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I wasn't bragging for my "buddy", you asked what king of amplifier he was using. I answered your question.

If you don't like car audio, why bother posting here? It's not like you have any valuable information, or a valid point, so why don't you go away?

Originally posted by Specialist23:

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hope u guys know, wattage doesn't mean squad. absolute NOTHING!! ask anyone that truly knows and is in the business...

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I think I know where you are going with this, and I think I may agree to a certain extent. But, can you tell me what your thoughts are?

I think that Contour SE Driver is actually anothre user name for dnewma04. There is no way anybody could really be that retarded. Seriously, if you are real, shut up and liste to what Dave tells you, he knows more about this crap than you will ever hope to. He doesn't have your obvious litterature knowledge either, he is a DIY audio guru and can think up absolutely perfect system combinations in his sleep. In fact many people here owe him a huge debt of gratitude as he found some of the best equipment any of us have ever seen over the years. No suggestion he has given to date has hed poor results either. He actually knows how to read the specifications of a speaker and in his head determine what other equipment would best match up to it.

As for the statement "car audio sucks nutz"

Obviously a car is not the greatest place to have a stereo system compared to a house. Here's a question for you though, can you take your home system with you on a 4 hour trip? Would cruising be as fun with an 8track instead of a really good sound system? Sounds to me like you sit at home all day listening to Celine Dion with youtr little 8" while everyone else is out with thier friends driving around in thier cars with stereos that "suck nuts" Meeting new people and making new friends. Try it, you may realise it's actually not that bad

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I think that Contour SE Driver is actually anothre user name for dnewma04. There is no way anybody could really be that retarded. Seriously, if you are real, shut up and liste to what Dave tells you, he knows more about this crap than you will ever hope to. He doesn't have your obvious litterature knowledge either, he is a DIY audio guru and can think up absolutely perfect system combinations in his sleep. In fact many people here owe him a huge debt of gratitude as he found some of the best equipment any of us have ever seen over the years. No suggestion he has given to date has hed poor results either. He actually knows how to read the specifications of a speaker and in his head determine what other equipment would best match up to it.

As for the statement "car audio sucks nutz"

Obviously a car is not the greatest place to have a stereo system compared to a house. Here's a question for you though, can you take your home system with you on a 4 hour trip? Would cruising be as fun with an 8track instead of a really good sound system? Sounds to me like you sit at home all day listening to Celine Dion with youtr little 8" while everyone else is out with thier friends driving around in thier cars with stereos that "suck nuts" Meeting new people and making new friends. Try it, you may realise it's actually not that bad

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You defend him but look above, wattage isnt everything. Ever heard of sensitivity in a speaker? Also, how about a high current amp? You can have current without voltage, but you cannot have voltage without amps. Anyone in electronics\electric will know the pie chart, watts equal current time voltage. High voltage will not drive a low impedance and low sensitive speaker. High current will.

Also dave whatever said he listend to speakers costing twice as much as 80k, lets see thats, ummmm 160, but then he says they cost 135 and tried correcting me on his lack of reading skills. You guys are soo funny, car audio does suck nuts, when comparing to home audio, get over it. Dave know more? HAHAHAHA, he hasnt shown that he does. Look at his posts, has a hard time even knowing the basics. DYI of trash is what it is. You guys. If you losers eee me on the street dont wave, i dont want to know idiots.

I am not sure if this argument is Fellini-esque, or sad like Bergmanesque, or what...it is surreal.

Dude, we have no knowledge of you...Dave has been a respected member of the audio world and is respected in many audio boards as well,,,and I never saw anyone argue his audio wisdom. No one here follows blindly either, we look around and try to compare, and his counsel always comes up to be right on the money.

The issue about watts not being important is irrelevant, and what was meant is that you can have a nice system with tubes, with I hope more than 90dB efficiency...Its just a matter of objectives.

Originally posted by contour se driver:

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You defend him but look above, wattage isnt everything. Ever heard of sensitivity in a speaker? Also, how about a high current amp? You can have current without voltage, but you cannot have voltage without amps. Anyone in electronics\electric will know the pie chart, watts equal current time voltage. High voltage will not drive a low impedance and low sensitive speaker. High current will.

Also dave whatever said he listend to speakers costing twice as much as 80k, lets see thats, ummmm 160, but then he says they cost 135 and tried correcting me on his lack of reading skills. You guys are soo funny, car audio does suck nuts, when comparing to home audio, get over it. Dave know more? HAHAHAHA, he hasnt shown that he does. Look at his posts, has a hard time even knowing the basics. DYI of trash is what it is. You guys. If you losers eee me on the street dont wave, i dont want to know idiots.

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I have never seen a bigger dumba$$ post on this board. EVER.

You almost seem to have a grasp on the basic principles of audio (car or home), but you fall flat on your face when trying to making any relevant point or argument.

I would suggest putting down the marketing trash you're reading from the audiophile magazines, reading up on good sources such as the Loudspeaker Design Cookbook and other non-marketing trash (surprisingly, even your much loathed JL Audio actually has some good info on their website in the "Tutorial" section). You're really just making a fool of yourself over, and over, and over again...

BTW, it's DIY as in "Do It Yourself". As in not listening to the marketing hype and garbage that companies like to spew to get you to buy their overpriced and underperforming equipment.