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HAHAHAHA. Show me 1 sub that will play 18hz the way sunfire does.


Adire Tumult
Adire Brahma
JL Audio W7
Resonant Engineering XXX
Blueprint 1803
Blueprint 1503
Aura 1808
Aura NRT 18-8
Seismic 8196
Cerwin Vega Stroker 12,15, and 18
Elemental Designs A-Series
SVS subs
Stryke AV15 and AV12
Stryke HE15
Stryke UE-15

The Tumult and UE-15 are both 15" drivers, meaning they have clost to 4x the cone area as the little Carver sub. The Sd (cone area) and Vd (volume of displacement) are two of the more important specs when it comes to figuring out the peak SPL at a given freq/power input. A Tumult can move approximately 6 times as much air as the Carver and handle more power....


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Every car sub maker on the market?? HAHAHAHA, thats a joke. i have NEVER EVER heard any car audio come close to home. NONE.


There are 8" midbass speakers that will go flat to 18 hz in a car. You seem to be ignoring the effects of the vehicles transfer function. I'm not foolish enough to say all subs can outperform the Sunfire, but there are certainly a lot of subs that can.

Have you ever seen or listened to a Krell Master Reference Subwoofer? If you don't know about it, it is a 28,000 sub with dual 15 woofers. It just so happens to use a slightly worse version of the Stryke HE15 mentioned earlier. The Stryke has higher power handling, better basket, and quite a bit more excursion. While the Sunfire does well in head to head test with 1000.00 consumer subs, it simply gets outclassed by high end equipment and DIY subs.


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I have perfect hearing, a 30k amp will dominate a 500 dollar car amp i guarentee it.



Define perfect hearing? You may be able to guarentee it, but I would take your guarentee with a grain of salt. Where do you live? If you are on the east coast, I bet Richard Clark (the amp challenge guy) would be glad to give you 10,000 if you can hear the differece between that 30k amp and a 400.00 car audio amp. The challenge is ongoing and no golden eared audiophool has won the challenge yet.

What is your guarentee, what are the ramifications of your guarentee when you fail miserably?

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Try speaking from experience

How do you know my experience? Try speaking from your mouth rather than your ass, the breath from down there is killing us.

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i have heard 80k speakers not including the rest of the system.

Well in that case, how can I sit here and argue with you... You listened to expensive speakers, you must be a real audio guru. I have listened to speakers costing 2x that, but considering that has nothing to do with the conversation, neither of us should give a flying fornication.

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The Sunfire plays bass deeper then the ws7, JL audio is a joke from what i heard too. I would never put that crap in a serious car setup.


Which W7? What kind of box? In car or anechoic?

JL Audio is no joke. They may be overpriced, IMO, but there is no question they are among the top mfg in the business. In fact, I'm assuming your post has to be the joke to rile us up. The utter arrogance and ignorance displayed in your thread is beyond compare.

Try to stick to something you know, not something you read one time a few years ago.


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