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Every HID bulb contains Xenon. The only difference is that the % of it may vary. The newest HID bulbs contain Mercury, Xenon, and traces of Halogen.
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HID and Xenon = Same thing.
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
HID and Xenon = Same thing.
More specifically, HID is a subset of Xenon. There are (incandescent) halogen bulbs that contain traces of xenon gas but their marketing wizards label them as 'Xenon lights' because people will equate xenon with bright white light. Just FYI..
Originally posted by Quicksilver:
The brightest bulb if it were produced would be around 5500K, the color of the sunlight at noon. The 6000k is sunlight around the very beginning of sunset, and most people like it due to the pleasant purplish characteristics of it.
No, the color temperature of the bulbs has nothing to do with brightness (or lumens). It's just coincidence that most 4100k-5000k will outperform 6000k+ bulbs. That's because some bulbs labeled 6000k+ are actually just 4100k bulbs with a color filter on the capsule.
I think the disagreement is coming about from the definition of performance. Milan, you are correct that D2Rs are for reflectors and D2Ss are for ellipsoid headlights. However the D2R capsule was never designed for use in halogen headlight assemblies. Though our headlights are the reflector type, they were designed for halogens bulbs not HID capsules. So the discussion on which bulb is the proper application is a moot point, since their very usage is exceeding the design of the headlights.
Now, if I understand Antonio correctly, he's saying that the D2S capsules create a better light pattern in our stock halogen headlight compared to the D2R. From other readings, I understand that the light color is usually yellower than expected, again as as result of using HID capsules in halogen headlight assemblies, thus the demand for HIDs with higher color temps.
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Originally posted by louisw:
No, the color temperature of the bulbs has nothing to do with brightness (or lumens). It's just coincidence that most 4100k-5000k will outperform 6000k+ bulbs. That's because some bulbs labeled 6000k+ are actually just 4100k bulbs with a color filter on the capsule.
Where are you getting this info from? I must totally disagree with you on this one. If you were correct, than every piece of information on HIDs I have is wrong. That is the whole point of the Gen 1 and Gen 2 HIDs. The first ones were 4800K and the latter are 6000K. Now they even have 8000K. Are you suggesting that these are just mere labels? In addition, a true HID bulb must have a totally clear capsule. Like Antonio said earlier, those with the colored capsules are total garbage... The color of the light is indeed determined whether it is 4800K, 6000K, 8000K or whatever else there is...
Originally posted by louisw:
Now, if I understand Antonio correctly, he's saying that the D2S capsules create a better light pattern in our stock halogen headlight compared to the D2R. From other readings, I understand that the light color is usually yellower than expected, again as as result of using HID capsules in halogen headlight assemblies, thus the demand for HIDs with higher color temps.
The light pattern varies only due to the stripe on the D2R capsules, not due to it being used in halogen housings. The capsule will produce the same color as it does in OEM applications, but it will not be reflected properly, thus loosing its performance...
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
Where are you getting this info from? I must totally disagree with you on this one. If you were correct, than every piece of information on HIDs I have is wrong. That is the whole point of the Gen 1 and Gen 2 HIDs. The first ones were 4800K and the latter are 6000K. Now they even have 8000K. Are you suggesting that these are just mere labels? In addition, a true HID bulb must have a totally clear capsule. Like Antonio said earlier, those with the colored capsules are total garbage... The color of the light is indeed determined whether it is 4800K, 6000K, 8000K or whatever else there is...
What do you disagree with? I'm not sure if I was misunderstood, but what I was getting at was that color temp (4800k, 6000k, etc) has nothing to do with brightness (the amount of light the capsule outputs) but has everything to do with color. This is fact; this is my "general knowledge", but a quick search in the FAQ says this as well.
Note that all OEM project HIDs use ~4000k capsules. The reason the colors range from blue-ish to purple is because of the headlight assembly itself. The projector refracts the light, so it changes color depending on which angle you look at it. Reflectors don't refract light as much, so they can't achieve this level of color change. Now the purpose of those > ~4000k HID capsules is all about marketing. What I said about the "6000k" capsules is true; all the knockoffs are just 4000k bulbs with colored filters on them. An example of a real 6000k bulb is the Philips Ultinon. The capsule itself is clear; the color change is internal. However, another look at the FAQ shows that this is a lower-performing capsule; that is, it outputs fewer lumens than a Philips 4000k capsule. This capsule was designed purely for aesthetic gratification, not light output (performance).
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4100K in a halogen headlamp=yellow output BUT brighter than 6000K 9Sill whiter than halogen though) 6000K in a halogen headlamp=blue output BUT not as many Lumans as a 4100K system. 6000K Philips burners are clear,the colour change is achieved by a different mix of gases/metals etc.Ones with a blue coating will be cheap Korean 4100K burners 8000K would be purple,the output would be shite and there wouldn't be ant point! There aren't any cars in production(in europe anyway)that come with 6000K burners(ALL have 4100K)-they don't need it,the headlamp is designed for HID and they get a BLUER output than 6000K in a halogen headlamp! Take some advice from Nick at autolamps-online.com. He was on the development team at philips for HID so i think he knows what he is talking about. 
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Originally posted by Mondeo V6:
4100K in a halogen headlamp=yellow output BUT brighter than 6000K 9Sill whiter than halogen though)
6000K in a halogen headlamp=blue output BUT not as many Lumans as a 4100K system.
6000K Philips burners are clear,the colour change is achieved by a different mix of gases/metals etc.Ones with a blue coating will be cheap Korean 4100K burners
8000K would be purple,the output would be shite and there wouldn't be ant point!
There aren't any cars in production(in europe anyway)that come with 6000K burners(ALL have 4100K)-they don't need it,the headlamp is designed for HID and they get a BLUER output than 6000K in a halogen headlamp!
Take some advice from Nick at autolamps-online.com.
He was on the development team at philips for HID so i think he knows what he is talking about.
And guess what autolamps-online.com kits are??? You guessed it cheap ass Korean Kits. You can say whatever you want but this picture tell it all. Autolamps-online.com and all those kits on Ebay are the same damn thing. Half ass slapped together kits. I am not knocking you boy Nick. What I am stating is that their kits are [censored]. Pictures speak louder then words and that useless garbage you are spewing.
-Antonio
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What is the difference between D2R and D2S?
The main difference is the U-shaped masking on the D2R that blocks out unpredictable light in certain directions. Also, the base has different notches. D2R was developed so that Merchedes could still use their reflector based headlights. They did not want use projectors like BMW. A glare box inside the headlight could have been used, but a mask painted on the bulb must have been cheaper to make. Using a D2R in anything else than a OEM HID headlight designed for the D2R bulb makes no sense. It will only reduce output. Some HID kits comes with D2R bulbs. Some amateur kit designers will even claim that D2R genrally reduces glare in a retrofit. This is nonsense. The D2R bulb masking is around 3-4 a'clock and 8-9 o'clock when bulb is in right position. Those are not the (only) sectors that creates glare.
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Originally posted by Antonio Wright:
Pictures speak louder then words.
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i don't think so-what you seem to have in the picture is the high voltage HID end??Well,autolamps don't supply them like that!! They supply philips ballast with there own connectors on,are we talking about the same place here?? www.autolamps-online.com ??
This is a UK firm,they are only 45 minutes away from me!
I have two of their kits,they are philips burners with philips ballasts supplied with a custom wiring harness. Nick worked for philips,he knows his stuff. To have a burnout like that you must have had a high voltage strike(can be caused by the burner coming into contact with the headlamp anti glare correctors)
THESE KITS ARE DEFO NOT KOREAN SHITE!!!
I'm not spewing useless [censored]!
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Originally posted by Mondeo V6:
i don't think so-what you seem to have in the picture is the high voltage HID end??Well,autolamps don't supply them like that!! They supply philips ballast with there own connectors on,are we talking about the same place here?? www.autolamps-online.com ??
This is a UK firm,they are only 45 minutes away from me!
I have two of their kits,they are philips burners with philips ballasts supplied with a custom wiring harness. Nick worked for philips,he knows his stuff. To have a burnout like that you must have had a high voltage strike(can be caused by the burner coming into contact with the headlamp anti glare correctors)
THESE KITS ARE DEFO NOT KOREAN SHITE!!!
I'm not spewing useless [censored]!
Yes we are talking about the same place. The last time I checked Autolamps-Online.com were making their kits with that style of connection. Now maybe they may have changed I don't know and I really don't care. They [censored] me over and I am telling others so they will not have the same thing happen to them.
-Antonio
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I am with Antonio on this one. No reason to use the stupid plugs anyhow...
With the kind of voltage produced, and we are talking about up to 23K Volts here guys, the plugs can only aid in making something go wrong.
Should you decide to buy an HID kit, always makes sure that there are no plugs involved...
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