Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums Modifications Transaxle changing ATX to MTX

Originally posted by RoadRunner:

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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:

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...bolts on to the top of tranny.

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What is this ???
The only thing on TOP of the tranny is the Shift Selector Sensor.
Maybe you are thinking of this...
http://www.levelten.com/store/import/items/electronics/import_shiftronic.htm
There isn't a picture, but it connects to the Transmission Harness.

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its the computer for the tranny. transgo has them. but i dont hink they have one avaiable for the cd4e. it reduces shift time, thats about it.

like i said, someone on here has a trans-go kit that costs $120 (i downloaded and watched the video of it in use, it's on myfamily.com) yes it basically just makes shifts faster, worth the money..... and how bout when i get a level ten kit we can see if mtx or level ten is better, (i hope the other person will also have a t5 turbo'd zetec though ) i think if u get the whole level ten kit , torque convertor and all u'll be hard pressed to find a equally modded mtx that can beat it

I agree with Dan Nixon.

i still do not see how they claim to have less drivetrain loss then an MTX. doesnt make sense. im sure it shifts really fast and firm, but comparing it to the MTX? i really do doubt it. i would almost bet that 2 cars stock 1 with the MTX and one ATX (with a level ten rebuild - or any rebuild for that matter) that the MTX would win in a race - on the track of course

the weight of the atx and the gearing just cant make up for it with just a rebuild. im also skeptical about the claims of how much power it can handle with the rebuilt as well.

level ten transmissions are used by many racers with ATXs that have heavily modded that cars, it can definetly handle the power (atleast 600hp) think about it this way, computer with programmed shifts controls a very efficient atx to shift exactly at the right time and smoothly every time, with a torque convertor and other things to lose less HP,,, show me a driver that shifts at the exact time every time needed in a mtx (if you do, i bet he owns something better than a 'tour ((if that exists )) something such as ferrari and he's paid millions of dollars to do this shifting out on the track. a level ten transmission is more than just a rebuild, it is made to handle losts of power and have less drivetrain loss than mtx and shift better than a mtx... this is probably why the cost what they cost. sure u can do some good stuff to a mtx, but the level ten will still outshine it 9 out 10 times (maybe 10 out of 10 times).

id still like to drive an mtx then a level ten rebuild back to back, or side by side even. and see the differences. it is a big claim to make to have 10-12% drivetrain loss out of an auto, especially since stock it is quite a bit more. I still find it hard to believe it can out-perform the MTX. i know they are renouned with their tranny work. but its still hard to believe without seeing it.

id love to see a dyno before and after, or time slips for the 1/4 mile. they do claim to lower your 1/4 by over half a second. id say that may be possible with a smaller torque convertor. i just want to see some hard proof that it works as well as they claim.

maybe you could contact them and ask for some more information and time slips and dyno plots, maybe find some cars in your area that level ten work and check them out.

Wow, I just read one of the bullet points on the rebuild kit...

Torque 650 ft. 750 HP.

Is this for real?!? I thought that getting 350HP out of the CD4E was a stretch even with the rebuild.

also, the levelten tranny, has every single tranny mod they carry. it comes out much cheaper, to buy a finished tranny then it does to upgrade part by part.

they're made outta some of the highest quality parts and replace nearly everything in the tranny, so i imagine it is true.. getting 250hp out of the CD4E is a stretch, unless you get full level ten kit, (protech may also be good).

Can anyone point to proof of this fabled "less than mtx drivetrain loss" figure?

I've asked before yet no one has been able to produce any evidence. It seems to me alot of people are taking this as fact and I just want to know where's it's coming from.

From what I know, only one person here has had level-10 work done but has not put the effort to dyno before and after.

Sure, it could be stronger, firms up the shift points, and with a higher stall which would be quicker out of the hole but that doesn't mean it's going to be more effecient at putting power down than a manual transaxle.

If I were plucking down over 3 large for this, I sure as heck would want some type of proof because I think you could do alot better with an upgraded swap.