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#443470 10/09/02 09:17 PM
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well those 2 are less than one month apart and all that changed was the dmd and i have several people that can back me up on that that are on this board after all one of them helped my put it on so believe it or not those 2 dynos are pure fact in the case of my car

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I dont want you to think I am calling you a lier, cause I am not. just doesnt make sense to me, I think most peope would agree with me, one thing I fouind interesting is. It took you .5sec slower to get to 5900rpm with the dmd, there was an average of 1hp 1 tq gain but I didnt look at the whole power band so maybe there was more in other area's. so why did it take longer to get to 5900? well the added weight of the dmd, guess it doesnt show in hp/tq but shows in time slip. which I dont know if that makes much sense. can anyone help me here?


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Is it possible for the extra damping to be reducing the vibrations, allowing more power to the crank, and offsetting the added weight?


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Originally posted by Mark McAllister:
Is it possible for the extra damping to be reducing the vibrations, allowing more power to the crank, and offsetting the added weight?



hmmmmm... well thats alot of offsetting, you also got to figure that the dmd cant stop vibration the the flywheel side of the crank, although I am sure it helps a little on that side. Wow, I am stumped. makes no sense how it would make a gain, asking it to offset th weight is kinda far fetched little lone make a gain after that. if there was that much vibration are cars wouldnt run ehehhe.


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well i am running consistant 15.2 @92mph right now ,which is better than ever before without the dmd i was 15.8's and right after it i went to 15.6and 7's

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Originally posted by Micah:
I dont want you to think I am calling you a lier, cause I am not.


its all good man i know your not and i understand your point of view but myself being the only one to post dyno before and after id have to say that in this case i'm right , but hey it may not be the case for all soooo...

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Originally posted by Micah:
1. every pound added to the crank is something like 2.25hp loss or gain if you lose a pound.
2. the dmd is like 4lbs heavier then stock which means pretty much 9hp is lost by doing a dmd, if the 2.25 calcs are right.
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1. Not remotely close. Diameter plays a huge factor in the effect of the weight/mass. So does gearing. There is no set number nor could there be because of the infinite variables.

2. The DMD is ~1lb heavier than stock. I have no clue where you heard 4lbs, but I weighed the SHO unit, stock & the DMD on a digital package metering scale back when I first got the DMD. (you can search the archives for the exact post too)

Also your .5 second slower claim does not take unto account the DMD run started from 2400rpm and the previous run 2700rpm. That's a 300rpm difference; easily .5 seconds. Matter of fact using an average time for 300rpm that is around 1 full second making it .5 seconds faster in acceleration!

Plus since the DMD stops the crank from flexing it easily could make more power gaing back that what is normally lost to high rpm crank flex. This is well within logical reason.


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1. Not remotely close. Diameter plays a huge factor in the effect of the weight/mass. So does gearing. There is no set number nor could there be because of the infinite variables.




agreed, I was assuming that the dmd was same diameter but sticks out farther. what does gearing have to do with the dmd? I was using an example if nothing else changes but added weight, obviously if other things change you cant use that.

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2. The DMD is ~1lb heavier than stock. I have no clue where you heard 4lbs, but I weighed the SHO unit, stock & the DMD on a digital package metering scale back when I first got the DMD. (you can search the archives for the exact post too)



no need to search, I was told it weighed about 4lbs more. I have no proof therefore we will go with what you said. I guess maybe 4lbs heavier then sho? should have checked faqs before posted weight.

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Also your .5 second slower claim does not take unto account the DMD run started from 2400rpm and the previous run 2700rpm. That's a 300rpm difference; easily .5 seconds. Matter of fact using an average time for 300rpm that is around 1 full second making it .5 seconds faster in acceleration!



yea, looked at the full sheet this time, (I mentioned before I didnt look at it all, didnt have the time) yea according to the sheet it is .5sec fast to that rpm.

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Plus since the DMD stops the crank from flexing it easily could make more power gaing back that what is normally lost to high rpm crank flex. This is well within logical reason.



with this added knowledge I would agree, but I had 4lbs in my head therefore I did not think it could gain back the weight and add power on top of that. but only one pound and minus vibration, I could agree.




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Originally posted by Micah:
still cant happen, you must have done some mods or something. you cant and I will repeat cant gain power by adding weight at the crank. every pound added to the crank is something like 2.25hp loss or gain if you lose a pound. maybe I shouldnt say gained but freed. the dmd is like 4lbs heavier then stock which means pretty much 9hp is lost by doing a dmd, if the 2.25 calcs are right.


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Sorry but this is all wrong!
First each pound is not worth a 2.25 pound loss. It is variable depending on what the radius is (larger radius = each pond hurts more like a flywheel, small radius ..like the DMD less power loss). Also depends on what gear you are in.. more difference in first with more inertia to overcome, less in 4th gear where we dyno. Hense, a light flywheel may feel like alot more power down in low gears but on dyno only few if any HP gain.

second, the DMD is exactly 1 lb heavier than stock not for. It may be 4 lbs heavier than a aluminum UDP which is also underdriving accessories..so going from a UR pulley to DMD..you will feel that! I can understand some reluctance to give that up if already installed. This has been debated extensively.

As to "you can't add power when adding weight to crank", I would ask this...how much power do you lose vibrating the engine, as opposed to sending it to the flywheel?? You cant possibly say none, the engine weighs 300+ lbs and you are ossilating it back and forth at a high rate of speed! No one yet has not felt less vibration with DMD. How much loss, I have no idea..but I can easily see gaining an HP or 3 with DMD, as demonstrated by HisSVTs dyno. Of course, dyno variability could account for that. Maybe it just cancels out the small weight gain. But power loss, I seriously doubt it.

I saw this late, just wanted to set record straight..as this is getting quoted on other posts.


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Oopps, I only saw page 2 of this...basically Demon said all this in page 3. parden my redundance..


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